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Is a Bell and Carlson sporter stock going to be an improvement over the normal Hogue stock (with pillars, not with the full bedding block) that comes with a Howa rifle? Is it enough of an improvement to be worth $300?

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If the goal is lightweight, then no. I have several B&C, and like them. Nice stiff stocks but they're not as light as say a Bansner or Edge. .Sorry, zero experience with hogue...

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I swapped a hogue overmolded out from a Mauser beater rifle for a bell and Carlson sporter. Feels way better in my mind. Heavier but it feels better in the hand. I like the b&c stocks and dont know that for my needs I need anything else.

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Originally Posted by mcclure
Is a Bell and Carlson sporter stock going to be an improvement over the normal Hogue stock (with pillars, not with the full bedding block) that comes with a Howa rifle? Is it enough of an improvement to be worth $300?

Improvement?

What is your goal? Rigidity? Weight? Ergonomics?


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Originally Posted by okie john


If they made one for the Howa it would seem like the obvious choice from what I've read.

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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Originally Posted by mcclure
Is a Bell and Carlson sporter stock going to be an improvement over the normal Hogue stock (with pillars, not with the full bedding block) that comes with a Howa rifle? Is it enough of an improvement to be worth $300?

Improvement?

What is your goal? Rigidity? Weight? Ergonomics?




Ergonomics...maybe...I prefer the B&C but for anything functional, no its not worth the money to switch out the Hogue.


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Hard to say what works and is worth for another's use. A decent laminate could do the trick for some. An HS for others. Many a B&C has worked perfectly fine. I prefer stuff slimmer than Hogue overmolds, however, have one on a 10/22 and don't hate it $300 worth.


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The hogue stock on my old 375 Ruger was a deal killer. Way too clubby and thick in the pistol grip.

Over time, the awkward, slippery, clubby grip on my B&C stocked CZ 550 Kevlar carbine became undesirable as well:

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-550-carbine-30-06-5-rd-fixed-mag-adj-composite/

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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer

What is your goal? Rigidity? Weight? Ergonomics?


Rigidity and ergonomics, really. I do not mind the weight of the Hogue and I know the Bell and Carlson isn't really lighter (I do not know the actual weight of the Hogue stocks). It's a hunting rifle but so far I have not minded hauling a Howa around in the woods and haven't been burning for something lighter.

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Originally Posted by mcclure
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer

What is your goal? Rigidity? Weight? Ergonomics?


Rigidity and ergonomics, really. I do not mind the weight of the Hogue and I know the Bell and Carlson isn't really lighter (I do not know the actual weight of the Hogue stocks). It's a hunting rifle but so far I have not minded hauling a Howa around in the woods and haven't been burning for something lighter.

Like laminates?


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I swapped one out on a Howa mini and think it was 100% worth it. I felt the Hogue was so blocky a 2x4 would have been an upgrade.


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I do not have a Howa, but have had several factory issue Hogues on Rugers. I currently still have a Hogue on a 10/22 and a Mini-14. These will likely remain in place.

I personally don’t care for the semi-beaver tail / fat forends of the Hogue. I will say, I have never noticed much grouping differences between the factory pillar bedded Hogue and replacement McMillans that were bedded.

I now have several Bell & Carlson stocks on Winchester M70’s.
Overall, I like them. No they ain’t - a - McMillan. They are not the lightest either, but several ounces lighter than the H-S Precision’s that I have.
As mainer_in_Alaska stated, the paint is not grippy. But, I find the same with McMillan’s moulded-in-color stocks, slick even with the checkering. The B&C paint slickness can be remedied, if troublesome. It seems to me, after the initial runs of BACO M70’s the grips were slimmed down. I have a take-off factory one that seems fatter than the ones that I have purchased from B&C later on.

Thus far, I am pretty satisfied with the B&C’s. I have certainly not had any greater fitment issues with a B&C than I have had with any others, which includes McMillan’s.
A Ruger B&C stock and 3ea M70’s arrived a few days ago. To me, definitely an improvement over the factory Hogue and plastic M70 stocks.

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I switched out the factory synthetic stock on my Winchester Model 70 SS Classic with a Hogue Overmolded Stock. I couldn't be more pleased. The Hogue stock fit me perfectly (especially in the pistol grip) and really aides in a quick sight acquisition. I also like the qualities of the rubber, which makes it easy to hold in any type weather. I also put a Hogue on my 10/22 and like that one too. However, as someone else has mentioned, rifle stock qualities are very much subjective.

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I have had a B&C carbelite on my 98 Mauser 30-06 for years. No complaints

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No use for a rubber stock. It's because of that stock I don't own a Howa..


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I have B&C stocks on Howa 1500s, Mausers, and a Zastava 85.

I've never handled a Hogue stock that I liked enough not to replace.

B&Cs aren't McMs, but they are good stocks and, sometimes, like Richards Micro-Fit stocks, they are the only reasonably priced after-market option, such as for the Interarms Mini-Mauser, Remington 799, and Zastava 85.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Originally Posted by mcclure
Is a Bell and Carlson sporter stock going to be an improvement over the normal Hogue stock (with pillars, not with the full bedding block) that comes with a Howa rifle? Is it enough of an improvement to be worth $300?

Improvement?

What is your goal? Rigidity? Weight? Ergonomics?




Ergonomics...maybe...I prefer the B&C but for anything functional, no its not worth the money to switch out the Hogue.



Exactly. He may notice an improvement by going with a Basner and will definitely notice by going to a Mcmillan edge or similar stock. A B&C, no not hardly.. I'd keep the Hogue myself..


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Have had both. Depending on the model the b&c can be a fine upgrade. Just visit their website. They offer all kinds of weights etc. The hogue stocks I’ve had on howas were a little heavier but no complaints at all. I think it comes down to weight? Both are serviceable stocks IMO

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