Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Wayne LaPierre...testifies in court...did not go well.

Incredible.

Judge “Cooter “.

WLP and several board members might have a big problem on their hands.

Thinking Oliver North and Col. West are watching this and smiling somewhat.

Anyone can watch it live.

https://us-courts.webex.com/webappng/sites/us-courts/dashboard/pmr/hale

I will admit that it is kind of painful. WLP is his own worst enemy when it comes to testifying. The judge and his own attorneys have repeatedly had to tell him just to answer the question and not go off on tangents.

I get wining and dining and politics.
The problem is why they were not up front about such expenses.

Proly because they used such for more personal than political.

Throw the mofos out.

My favorite funeral home director is named Cooter.

Loppy-Air should have been out of there decades ago.

Is this a surprise to anyone?

Lapierre is as dirty as any other politician and one of the reasons I don't waist money on the NRA.

This may get me booed by others on this forum but what has the NRA done for us?

HAHA Favorite? You must have an interesting circle of friends!

As chief engineer my father had to give a speech every year on "the company yacht".

I asked, "Dad, what a company yacht?"

"Just some %&@! tax break!"

This situation has been very disappointing. He had to know that he would get caught at some point. To take the position as our #1 2nd Amendment advocate, and then squander our funds is inexcusable. Shame on him and the organization.

Not an excuse but - "that's Washington".

If there was a way to actually see evil, as in real Biblical level evil, there would be a noxious cloud enveloping Washington, D.C. thicker than just about anywhere else on the planet.



D.C. - ostensibly "District of Columbia" but it should stand for "Den of Corruption".

And if he's admitting to those things, you can guarantee it's just the tip of the iceberg.

By chance would his first name be "Cold".

Yep.
Very much so. There’s much more behind all this.

SOB has ruined the NRA.

WLP = POS

At what point do those gifts become taxable?

They called yesterday looking for more money. I told them again not until Wayne is gone.

He has ruined the NRA

WLP betrayed millions of people over the years. I hope he frys for that. Not one cent from me until he and his regime are gone and the power is given back to the board to insure this never happens again. We really need the NRA but ONLY with honest leadership. I know that is a lot to ask.......................................................

There has been a cadre of members who have been saying LaPierre is poison for decades. Now that he has run the organization into the ground, people are paying attention.

I have met Wayne three times, one of which was at a meeting where he was present. Straight up, the biggest douchebag I've ever met. He shows up to the meeting, shakes everyone's hand and he always gives out his business card like it's some sort of special keepsake. Then when it's his turn to talk, he spews every pro-2A trope known to man (whether the situation calls for it or not), and never offers anything of any actual substance.

I pegged him as a con-man inside of 1 minute in the very first meeting. There is NO WAY the board of directors didn't know EXACTLY who Wayne LaPierre was and what he was about.

Why is the NRA having such a hard time understanding that the problems that they are having are due in large part to WLP's leadership? Get rid of the crooked scumbag and put somebody in charge that isn't going to squander millions of dollars. It's also long past time to cut ALL of the fat and get back to just doing their job, defending the 2A. Spend that savings on the most bloodthirsty lawyers money can buy, not on hunting trips and yachts.

Lot's of anti-gun activist are salivating at the possibilities, now that the NRA is on the ropes. Through his personal greed and arrogance, WLP has put our gun rights into jeopardy.

Best we can do is to double our support other gun rights organizations, and hope the NRA flushes WLP ASAP and gets back in the game soon.

WLP’s position is pretty isolated from internal removal. Jail time appears to be the best hope for removing him.

Then purge and trim the BoDs to a much smaller, manageable level from the present bloat that it is.

He's been a total failure since day one.

No personality, no passion, no inspiration, corrupt, fugghead.

So ol' Wayne is a Lawyer and knows a thing or two about what he is doing...

More important the the boat trip is this little bit:


Look at the taxes NY is now trying to levy after setting up a budget line item of $1.2bn to give to illegal immigrants...

I say keep throwing up roadblocks Wayne.

After Neal Knox, Wayne made sure to change the bylaws so another member takeover never happens again. He quite conveniently made it damn near impossible to remove him as leader. If they kick him out, he gets a HUGE golden parachute.

FIXT

Read Gungeeks last paragraph . That’s as big a part of the problem as WLP .
Kinda like the republicans an democrats , they are milking it , just two different cows.
Kenneth

Not a fan of WLP and his attitude or willingness to spend our money.

However, family aboard or not, if there are Senators or Congressmen that need schmoozing for a 2A vote, well, that's just the way business is done DC; legal or not. Not defending him in any way, but simply another way to look at it.

So the New York Attorney General wants to seize the NRA's $200 million in assets and redistribute it to other non-profits? WTF?

I am surprised that no one has posited that wlp is a sleeper inserted to ruin the NRA. A potential conspiracy is going to waste.


mike r

So where is watch4bear on this?


Clyde

WLP has hurt this nation with his wreckless decisions and personal greed.

The NRA was a lobby second to none.

I told them that a long time ago. The NRA has ruined the NRA. Many more are also corrupt.

WLP is a symptom, not the root cause, he wasn't there when the NRA leadership was supportive of GCA-68

Doubtful the gun owning public will ever learn

The AG is just another Soros plant. What do you expect when a Soros plant gets on the throat of a crook like WLP? She just wants to steal some money. Like a lot of knee grows I have known, after 24 years working in a prison. Be Well, RZ.

If dispersed it should go back to the members.

The NRA has been marginally effective for a decade or more. Lobbying politicians is fine and probably necessary. They should have spent more money and effort suing the federal government and state governments over unconstitutional firearms legislation. Take lessons from the environmental groups constantly suing to advance their agenda.
WLP progressively used his position to enrich himself to the detriment of the organization. He is personally responsible for what is happening now and the NRA's weakened position.
The NRA-ILA is having a legislative town hall on April 21 in Tucson. The NRA is having an Online Workshop on April 22. Are these events worth attending or a waste of time?

I don't know watch4bear but I'm guessing he has figured out how wrong he was and is now embarrassed to admit it so he has disappeared. Alternatively, he may be dead.

What a crummy position WLP has put us in ..... we want to support the main organization (NRA) that protects out 2A rights, but at the same time knowing that he and likely all the leaders of the NRA are stealing from the coffers that we fill. The libtards would love to see the NRA shrink in numbers and are delighted to watch it do it to itself.

How right you are. I sent the NRA a letter 40 years ago suggesting we use the courts if we truly have a 2nd amendment right. In my early twenties I could see the constant crisis method of fund raising.

Simple criminal conversion

It's a crime in all States.

So, WLP broke the rules and the NY AG wants to take the NRA's $200 million?

I think stopping legislation before it becomes law is more cost effective that trying to overturn it in the courts.

I am no fan of WLP and believe that the NRA Board should have sent him away quite a while ago, However, the unfolding matter demonstrates that he, in and of himself, has not been the root cause or the chief enabler of the NRA's problems. He has been their hired gun - others are at fault, and more so than WLP.

Wayne knows for sure that (attempting to) stop it before it becomes law is waaay TF more profitable than trying to overturn it in court, because you get to do it again year after year. You win the wrong court case and the gravy train suddenly derails.

This is the issue against his removal.

Go to black community and culture centers in NYC.......

You know...
Those affected by whitey on black gun violence schitt.

Why? Because they're in on it; that's why.

A majority, if not all the board is complicit. If they weren't, they would have gotten rid of him a long time ago. The purpose of a true BoD is to make sure the officers run an organization/corporation in its best interests. That's how people like the founder of Papa John's and the like get thrown out. The NRA BoD is the ultimate old boy/girl network.

And I think your point is well taken. That's why lobbying is necessary. But it has become progressively less effective in influencing legislation as politicians increasingly disregard the constitution. They need to be reminded the constitution is more than just a suggestion. Likewise, non of the bureaucrats in the alphabet agencies are constitutionally authorized to make rules which have the affect of law. Only congress can make laws.

So litigation is more cost effective than lobbying? Get back to me on that after the Bolsheviks ram gun law after gun laws down our throats. Legal costs will make Wayne’s spending habits seem like pocket change.

What he's saying is that as long as you fight individual laws, you can continually use scare tactics to keep the money rolling in. If you litigate and make it to SCOTUS, they may decide in your favor and solidify the 2A and then the gravy train stops.

SAF (court cases) has produced a return for gun owners on its meager budget this century far in excess of what we've received from the bloated NRA. That's the definition of cost effective.

And please explain how this "Lobbying" is going to change said Bolsheviks' minds? I'm all ears.

But Wayne appreciates your support.

Same cow...teats on the left side and teats on the right.

Let Cooter be the last to wipe your pooter!

Obviously, no one on the board ever looks at the books. The whole batch should go, not just the executive officers.

"LaPierre said he didn’t pay for the hunting trip, but described it as part of the gun-rights organization’s image-building efforts."

Yeah.....right....

If he had any integrity, he would just leave.

Why in God's green earth don't the board of directors get rid of this clown? I quite a few years ago because of him, but rejoined because we need something to stand up to the anti's, but not sure it was the right thing to do. I had this POS pinned as a con man years ago when I saw him in Las Vegas kissing Harry Reid's ass at the opening of the shoot facility there. Why do we need him and his huge salary? Time to get rid of all the top brass at the NRA and start over with a few honest people. Tirm limits are needed in the NRA as well as Congress.

Everyone posting on this thread is "singing off the same song sheet."

I wonder if most of the 5,000,000 NRA members feel the same way or if they're just apathetic about this stuff.

Most of them don't know.

I'm betting most have at least an idea there's trouble in paradise. Most members are at least politically aware, if not active; and you can bet they're reading the news.

Now, do most have any idea that a con man WLP is? Unfortunatley, 99% have no idea.

I have friends that post pro NRA stuff featuring Wayne LaPierre on Fakebook. When I mention to them the justified controversy surrounding Wayne's misdoings they all say they had no idea.

Many of the board members owe their seat to WLP because of his indirect control of the Nominations Committee. People nominated by petition rarely, if ever, get elected. If it goes to the 76th director position. he has his minions using NRA funds lobby for the preferred candidate. Even after it was exposed, they continued it. I saw it in person at the Annual Meeting this past October in Tucson.

The other reason many on the board support him is he throws perks their way. There was the aforementioned safari to Africa with his wife. It was on the NRA's sponsored Under Wild Skies with Tony Makris. Makris used to be best buds with Wayne and helped him save his job back in the 90s. Other board members are rewarded with the ability to be on the show and have their safari to Africa paid for with your money and my money.

I watched much of his testimony this morning in the bankruptcy hearing. It was painful. He would be asked a yes/no question and he'd start to ramble on. The attorney for NYAG and AckMac would then ask that it be struck for being "non-responsive" and the judge would sustain it. It got to the point where his own bankruptcy attorneys were telling him to just answer yes or no. The judge was a bit fed up and said, "I've asked you a dozen or more times to limit yourself to the question asked. Do you understand me?"

WLP did himself no favors in his testimony.

What makes it your favorite?

Top 50 non profit CEO salaries
https://www.causeiq.com/insights/highest-paid-nonprofit-ceos/

NRA did not make the list.

Wayne a chunt for not stepping down, and the board is absolute chit for not forcing it.

One thing the NRA has done for us is shown that it took them approximately 150 years to figure out the state of NY was hostile to gun rights.

Hopefully it doesn’t go to criminal charges .
Think about the far reaching consequences .
Kenneth

He's part of the uniparty.

A scam man. Hope he goes behind bars.

GOA started getting my support several years ago. I left the NRA and won't go back.

I just received my NRA renewal statement, it's on my desk right in front of me as I type this.

It's going in the wastebasket.

Is GOA the best alternative?

That's been my experience as well, I believe most are ignorant of the situation as it is.

Giving $100 to the NRA makes everyone feel like they’ve done their part, but we’re well past that.
Size, prime, charge, seat, repeat. No fat [bleep] in a $4,000 suit is going to fix the problems we’re facing.

Fahqer needs to be found in his garage with the engine running.

You might do a little digging outside that particular list.
His compensation in 2018 would have nearly put him in the top 10.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-paid-wayne-lapierre-2-2-million-in-2018-a-55-increase-11573854835

I went to go see Ron Paul in 2008 with WLP as the opener guest speaker.

he was a no show. No great loss but I remember thinking that was a low rent move on his part.

NT
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A travel consultant who testified in the National Rifle Association’s bankruptcy case said Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre instructed her to omit certain flight stops from invoices she sent to the gun-rights group for Mr. LaPierre’s private-jet travel, a disclosure NRA attorneys are challenging to keep out of the court record.

The travel consultant testified, in a videotape deposition played in bankruptcy court Thursday, that certain invoices she sent the NRA omitted stops in Nebraska and the Bahamas, at Mr. LaPierre’s request. Some of Mr. LaPierre’s relatives who were frequent travelers on NRA-paid private jets live in Nebraska.

The NRA chief previously testified he frequently traveled to the Bahamas to stay for free on a 108-foot yacht in the Bahamas with family members, provided by an NRA vendor, for security reasons.

The testimony that alleged Mr. LaPierre sought to hide certain private-jet stops from the NRA’s own accountants could be evidence he knew what he was doing was wrong and was deliberately concealing it, legal specialists said.

“If true, this seems like a clear documented instance of knowing misuse of NRA assets and concealing that abuse,” said Elizabeth Kingsley, a Washington nonprofit-law attorney.

The testimony came on the fourth day of high-stakes hearings in the NRA’s chapter 11 bankruptcy case in Dallas. The gun-rights group filed for bankruptcy protection in January, in part to counter fraud and expense-abuse allegations by New York General Letitia James, who is seeking to have the NRA dissolved.

Mr. LaPierre, in earlier testimony Thursday on his second day on the witness stand, was grilled by a lawyer for the New York attorney general on his management practices.

Mr. LaPierre admitted he didn’t know the group’s longtime chief financial officer was given a $360,000-per year consulting contract after he retired and didn’t know the NRA travel consultant for years had tacked an extra 10% fee onto millions of dollars in travel she arranged for the NRA. The consultant also was paid up to $26,000 a month, testimony showed.

The New York attorney general’s office has oversight for the NRA, which was founded in that state in 1871 and is officially domiciled there. New York officials have asked for the bankruptcy case to be dismissed or for the appointment of a trustee to oversee the NRA, citing allegations of dishonesty and gross mismanagement.



Mr. LaPierre said Thursday he repaid the NRA $300,000 after learning he received excess benefits in the form of certain travel expenses. Mr. LaPierre said he didn’t realize the air travel would be considered an excess benefit but when the problem was brought to his attention, he immediately sought to repay the NRA.

“I’ve self-corrected,” Mr. LaPierre said.

Lawyers for the NRA will have an opportunity later to question Mr. LaPierre.

The NRA and the New York attorney general’s office also battled in court Thursday over the admissibility of some of the travel agent’s testimony. Judge Harlin Hale, who is overseeing the chapter 11 case, for the moment didn’t admit into evidence the invoices the travel consultant testified about.

In addition, lawyers for the NRA said Thursday they had questions about the admissibility of a related document—a spreadsheet of hundreds of NRA-paid private-jet flights from 2015 to 2019—the New York attorney general’s office filed with the court but also hasn’t yet put into evidence.

The spreadsheet, which contains some duplicate entries, shows that NRA-chartered jets stopped dozens of times in Nebraska and the Bahamas, generally with Mr. LaPierre’s relatives listed on the manifest.

When the NRA’s travel consultant billed the NRA for those flights, almost all of the stops in the Bahamas and Nebraska were omitted from her invoices while other stops on the trips generally were included, the spreadsheet shows.

Mr. LaPierre said Thursday he supports a request, filed Wednesday, by the NRA to hire a chief restructuring officer to guide management through the chapter 11 case. The proposed restructuring officer, Louis Robichaux IV is a senior managing director at Ankura Consulting Group LLC.

Mr. Robichaux’s retention is meant to help assure NRA creditors and other third parties involved in the bankruptcy case that an independent fiduciary is overseeing the reorganization and the group’s financial operations, the NRA said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-ce...929414?mod=searchresults_pos2&page=1

I disagree...Sometimes you have to burn the whole thing down. LaPierre has been there for decades, and he has seriously stacked the deck; the entire leadership is completely corrupt. Getting rid of him would be great for the NRA, but getting rid of the ENTIRE LOT will be more painful in the short term, but WAY more effective over the long term. Take the whole thing down, re-incorporate in Texas, hire some COMPETENT people, and get on with it.

Meanwhile, GOA, SAF, and CATO will have us covered while the NRA regroups.

As corrupt as they come.

If NRA revenues are $412M, then how much would we expect the CEO to get?
From looking at other non profits, it seems like 1%, which would be $4M.

Same as my point 2 years ago
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...icly-against-wayne-lapierre#Post13876953

Wayne walked right by me with his body guard behind, and did not even stop to shake hands with the 10,000 guys at the Puyallup gun show.

We haven't heard from watch4bear since January 11, 2021. He is from Alaska. Can someone go by and check on him?

I think someone stopped watching for bears and one got him.

Someone should circulate a petition.

I think old Wayne finally screwed the pooch this time. Unfortunately he is screwing us in the process.

So what will happen?

My guess is they'll deny the bankruptcy filing. In another action they'll decide that abolishing the NRA is too strict a remedy. The court may appoint a special master with dictatorial powers. The special master may decide that the NRA has to concentrate on target shooting etc. and not on lobbying Congress etc. the NRA may be required to stop opposing "sensible" gun laws.

If WLP would have claimed his total compensation on his taxes he would rake higher in compensation

They are all over paid. I'm not donating for yachts, and 260,000 dollars in wardrobe that is paid for by the NRA as well as his family using the NRA jet for luxury vacations at the NRA's expense.

WLP has too much power and needs to go

I left the NRA around 2002-ish, and have been with GOA. If I were a member of the NRA I would sign that petition in a New York Minute. Hell, if they got rid of WLP in 2002 I would have never jumped ship.

In 2002 I caught an article from a former NRA board member who resigned in disgust, and after reading about the hold WLP had on the NRA, I became convinced they were either committing fraud then, or soon would be. I'd rather my money NOT go to fraud, and GOA has been KILLING IT, so they get my money, not the NRA.

We could be so lucky

Many CEOs are paid for performance. Wayne ain't done nothing for us in years...

If he had any integrity we wouldn’t be discussing this, we wouldn’t be in this pickle. He wouldn’t have done what he obviously did.

DF

I think there is a possibility something good may come from this. It is a shame that it has taken an anti-gun owner Democrat Yankee politician of color to clean up what we should have done ourselves.

Yep.

Ironic as it is, that’s very true. I’ve made that observation before.

DF

Actually he has. He has been busy screwing everyone of us for years.

Jim

The NRA has been a con scam for the last 80 years! Got a request to join today.....and I've been a LIFE MEMBER for 60 years! Got it for $40.00! Wayne needs carry his no good sorry ass along with the entire board! The selection of 'the board' has always been a joke....with the exception of choosing 'Moses' for the president!!

I'm an Endowment Member and still get stuff in the mail, wanting me to join.

I used to kick in when Larry asked for a "roundup" with my Midway orders. "No thanks" is the box I've been checking for quite a while.

Not too unlike Dems, seems the highest and best use of their time is shaking us down for money, spending it on their pet projects.

WLP needs to go to the big house, throw away the key.. He's not my pet project.

DF

I got a nice email today from Wayne entitled Exclusive Thank-You Gift for Life Members. What a let down it was when I opened it. For $50 I could get a knife or for $100 they would send a jacket (worth $89). I thought the root word for gift was give, as in free. Oh well.