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Originally Posted by Higginez
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I run a 2019 ranger in the gas patch in Pennsylvania. We also have tacoma's. To be honest, there isn't any comparison between the two. The ranger is the one. We drive on barely passable roads all day every day.


Can you go into a little more detail on this please?

We maintain and produce natural gas wells. These wells and the compressors are in very rugged out of the way places in the woods and hollows. Because of the nature of the gas industry, nothing in the way of roads are maintained. Ruts, ditches off camber you name it. Snow, ice mud. There is no way around it , you have to get in to the sites. Lot's of times with chains on. When I said in an earlier post about an alternator going out because of going through a creek, it wasn't just the one time. Many times.

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What’s it got on the Tacoma?


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Power ground clearance, and compared to the tacomas at work, reliability. Also more cab room.

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Thanks man.


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Don't own either but test drove both, I can get in a Ranger,I hit my head in the Taco. Just test drive one guys ,the road noise is horrible in the taco.Taco has better ground clearance

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Originally Posted by Higginez
Thanks man.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not anti toyota. I just think the ranger is the better of the two.

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Originally Posted by thumbcocker
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Thanks man.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not anti toyota. I just think the ranger is the better of the two.


I’m not either and I agree.


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Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right
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How long has the new Ranger been out? Do you trust they've got it all worked-out?

If you've got a good relationship with the dealer, I guess it won't matter as much.

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The engine has been around forever without a turbo, the transmission is same one used in F-150's.

Every Toyota I've ever ridden in feels like you are setting in a lawn chair...all frame no cushion..

And the paint will be gone in 10 years.

Ranger for me

So the paint will last about 9 years longer than a Ford's?

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I can't believe we have so many Ford haters on here.


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Originally Posted by Higginez
I can't believe we have so many Ford haters on here.


C'mon, brother, we got lots 'o people who hate just about anything. Like White Claw....


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My two main brands are Toyota and Ford, so I don't know which one to bash.....

I will say that Toyota often falls short on features/comforts, as well as engine power/performance, but has a great understanding of build quality. Ford understands features and tech, and has improved on build quality greatly in the last 20 years. It boils down to what you want to spend your money on, considering your expectations.

A Tacoma with something like Ford's 2.7L V-6 Ecoboost (the bigger engine option for the new Bronco) would be an amazing machine. I recently bought a new Ford truck, as Toyota just doesn't offer me what I'm looking for at the moment. The Tundra sucks down too much fuel with its 5.7L and 6spd auto, while the newest Tacoma seems to be underpowered in order to offer a decent mpg rating that is in line with its competitors. I can't see having marginal power in order to gain 2mpg over a package that would offer adequate/sufficient power. Surely Toyota will get caught up soon with regards to engine/tranny packages, as they are lagging.


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I'm not bashing Toyota's only stating my personal observations.

While I'm at the last Taco I looked in the floor of the bed was 2-3 weird shaped metal pieces caulked and bolted (maybe welded too) together. I didn't love that either.

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Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right
I'm not bashing Toyota's only stating my personal observations.

While I'm at the last Taco I looked in the floor of the bed was 2-3 weird shaped metal pieces caulked and bolted (maybe welded too) together. I didn't love that either.

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It's a known fact that they are not making them like they used to. Less payload and not as "heavy duty". The 3.5 is not as good as the 4.0. Last good Taco's were the '15 models, according to 2 different Toyota managers I've talked to. One reason I'm going to keep my rust free 2004 double cab and first gen Tundra. As for the Ranger, you guys can keep those. Fords have too many issues, most times requiring the dealership to service. A simple flashing of the computer will run upwards of $200.00. They got you by the balls. An example: If the EPAS goes bad on your ranger, you will need the dealership to replace it. You can do the work, but the computer will need to be flashed by a Ford dealership. As it was explained to me when I actually had to replace one in an Escape, the dealership can flash it for $200.00, but if it has any issues, its on you. They will not cover or guarantee it will work. You are out the $800.00 in parts and $200.00 for diagnostic and flashing. You'll end up putting $1,200-$1,500.00 into it, if Ford does the work for you, but you get a 1 year warranty. Some of these new vehicles are a fu cking joke. Glad you boys have the money to throw at them. The older Toyota's have been nothing but dependable and reliable for myself and most of my buddies. I have one buddy that has owned the same Taco since new in '98. He has 170,000 on it and just recently had the original brakes changed. He's changed the Timing belt and has kept it maintained well. It really hasn't cost him much to own over the last 20 years. The same can be said for my '04 Tacoma and 00 Tundra. Damn reliable vehicles, one of the reasons they hold their value so well..


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Like anything else, if you point out the downside, failures, or cons to any product here on the campfire you are suddenly a hater or a basher, that’s so [bleep] stupid. Toyota for many years had a reputation for making chit that last when other manufacturers didn’t, all the vehicles being made in the last 20 years are miles ahead of what was made back in the day. Yes they are more technologically advanced hence where certain designs will have problems. I’ve owned several Tacoma’s (mostly when I was younger) and my son currently has one, but they are not that great of a truck. They are great to give a kid who can abuse it and not have many breakdowns but as far as comfort and capability, they just aren’t there. There’s lots of room for the big 3 to make a better compact/midsized truck especially in the power, ride quality and performance dept with better fuel mileage to boot.

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I’ve really wanted to like Ford trucks over four decades. They won’t let me. I’ve only had 3, and tried two F-150s about ten years back. They were both a freaking POS. My latest attempt was cut short by my buddy’s brand new 2020, F150, which Ford had to buy back from him at under 10k miles, due to lemon laws and having no fix for the apparent drivetrain design flaws. Then there’s the light aluminum vs heavy steel vs impact. Killed some in my family.

I’ve had stellar Chevrolets, but their socialist nature has ruled out new ones.

I’ve owned a LOT of different Toyota trucks and Landcruisers. The only major let down ever was a first year Tundra that puked the tranny at 73k....which Toyota replaced with the upgraded tranny, for FREE.

I can live without some latte features and tire burning ability, if it comes to long term reliability and peace of mind.

I don’t buy much ‘newer’ stuff from anyone, just because of quality degradation in everything these days.....had a 2017 Tundra, and went back to a first gen....my 2004 Tundra and ‘95 LC are still rolling.

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I have run two Tacomas for the last 20+ years .1st one was 4 banger and I sold for $4k with 275K miles on it and still running good. 2nd one is a 2004 , 6 banger 175K miles on it an still going strong.Std 100K serpentine belt with water pump kit, plugs, struts and tires.

As for dealers, I have yet found one of any make of vehicle that are worth a damn. Big trucks I have owned two Dodges, one was a Cummins, one Ford 3/4T ,460 engine .Diesel went south at 150K. Ford went south at 85K, This Chevy Duramax now is wait and see with only 15K on it.

The Tacomas were never meant to be a heavy work truck .Yep,I like then. If you go looking for one and find one you might like you had best buy it right then because it will be gone tomorrow..They are reliable and have decent resale value.

If I were looking for another light weight truck,I would not look at anything else.


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Just to throw another factor into the mix, how do folks feel about the Nissan Frontier?


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I can bash Ford too, My wife bought a 2011 Ford Focus Titanium new off the lot.

Worst car ever, CVT transmission slipped like a fat lady on ice!

Should have never been released it was so bad...

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Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right
I can bash Ford too, My wife bought a 2011 Ford Focus Titanium new off the lot.

Worst car ever, CVT transmission slipped like a fat lady on ice!

Should have never been released it was so bad...

Mike


Thought Ford used a Dual Clutch auto in those, not a CVT.


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Originally Posted by Higginez
Yeah, I was rather unimpressed driving the Tacoma honestly. Power drivers seat let you get your ass up off the floor but no dice on passenger side. WTF?

The engine is a real snoozer.


I don't know if this applies to the Tacoma, but with my wife's 2018 Highlander and 3.5L it was really sluggish. I mean a dog. Slow engine response and would not downshift aggressively. Never bothered her, and the fuel mileage was decent.

Last year, I started driving the Highlander more. The engine response and shifting is much more aggressive now, as the ECU/TCU have adapted to my driving style. However, it literally took months of me driving it before it changed. And fuel mileage went down 3 MPG in mixed driving, but its a lot more fun to drive now.

My Tundra was similar in that it would hold higher gears and not downshift going downhills. I started manually shifting, and after a few weeks the TCU was downshifting perfectly.

Would not be surprised if the Tacoma is programmed for similar characteristics, to help fuel economy. And there might be a way to trick the controllers, or get them flashed to avoid the wait.

Tacoma and Highlander weigh about the same, with similar engine output. The Highlander doesn't pull like a Tundra, but is fairly peppy now.

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