Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Winchester Collectors Possible p64 fw sg

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/897092531

Anyone following this? No super grade on floor plate, but stock looks correct including composite butt. Would be a special order given sn ... possible sleeper or too many red flags?

The stock certainly looks right. Late gun, pre64 production was winding down (only 21,000 more M70’s were produced). Maybe the factory was out of SG plates or just using up leftover stocks. All indications were that things were different towards the end.

Something to always be mindful of when looking at a supergrade rifle is DOM. The supergrades were discontinued in 1959. The rifle in question was built in 1962. I saw that in the first second of looking at the pics.. Beyond that, I stopped looking at it. Im surprised pocono didn't see that.. How many more "red flags" are you looking for. I can take another 3 second look at it, if you want..

That was the “special order given sn” part BSA. Rule had a documented SG in that same serial range.

I can fix him up with a Super Grade floor plate!

Ask for some pics of the underside of the barreled action. Also it doesn't have a jeweled bolt, extractor, and follower. You notice how he doesn't show a good pic of the front sight. It should have a gold bead. It should be stamped with a backwards S on the bottom of the recoil lug and also "Super" on the underside of the barrel. As always, some of you guys can pretend its original, while i have my serious doubts. One of the reasons bobin said he didnt even deal with the supergrade model. Way too much counterfeiting going on. My smith always warned me. Saying, "if he could counterfeit one, anyone could". Buyer beware. Also a little documentation goes a long way.

I'd trust Roger. Some guy on the internet without documentation. Not hardly.

Also, a real supergrade 270 fwt would have sold for more than that: $2,000.00. Just sayin..

I just have to add this. I have only seen a handful of Supergrade Fwts, real or fake, but I am not kidding, everyone was a 270!!! My opinion on this one is FAKE. period.

ETA: There was no shortage of Supergrade floorplates in 1962. There was a shortage of steel Supergrade floorplates, but plenty of aluminum ones as they made Africans until the last day, and many of them had aluminum floorplates.

Seller wasn’t advertising it as a super grade; but I agree.

Interesting info on the floor plates sbr. Thanks.

I ran that gun up past 2000 yesterday. I'd noticed it a few days back and consulted Rule before getting into the bidding. His pictured SG's, along with the commentary about them on pages 232 and 233 were alot of comfort. Seller was unsophisticated, didn't mention or represent the gun as an SG. Who but Winchester late in the game would put out an SG without the floor plate being marked? That doesn't make any sense unless its factory, to me. Anyway, at 2000 I wasn't willing to go further on those pictures. Whoever bought it got a nice rifle.

The seller knew it wasnt a real supergrade.

Naaah, I think he is just unsophsticated. Estate sale.

What’s a genuine SG Fwt stock worth?

Yep. If you look at his other items, that is apparent.



What I was wondering too. North of a grand I would think.

I think faking the floor plate would be the easiest part. Why, if you were faking it, would you leave that out? You wouldn't. Go to all that trouble and leave that out? Nahhh.

I hope it pops back up someplace, the buyer appeared quite active on GB, so there's a chance of seeing it again.

My thoughts were similar to yours BK.
Seller didn’t get back to me about an allowance for AK buyer (stated no AK sales in description) otherwise I would have thrown my hat in as well. That appeared to be a very clean gun.

You realize they discontinued the supergrades in 1959, don't you? There's no provenance to that rifle, so you are left with an unknown. The reason it only sold for $2,000.00. The barreled action of a clean 270 fwt is worth $1,000.00, the stock is worth $1,000.00. The rifle was just a regular ol 1962 270 fwt placed into a supergrade stock. There is nothing on the actual barreled action that points to it being a supergrade. I've already listed things for you guys to look for, but you want to act clueless..

That's funny, Rule at page 233 shows a super grade with a 559XXX which is after the rifle in question. 1962 by my book. Maybe you don't know all you think you know...further, I said I quit bidding because of the lack of proof. The rifle was worth what it sold for, given the unknowns. No one over paid for it, certainly not me. You might want to back off a notch here. No one in this thread is clueless.

Yep, 249 guns between the gun under discussion and the last regular SG on pg. 233 in Rule.

The vast majority of M70’s are without provenance.