Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Boycott Communist China.....

.....unless dire circumstances demand. Never from choice. eom

LOL Give'm hell!

Hell it is boomer. If you’re a satan serving Communist Chinese lover too greedy to leave the slave labor of Communism, I pray to my God above your products rot and rust waiting for the sheeple to come. Amen

Id love to if there were viable choices in all things just not optics. That includes autos, electronics, most consumer goods and even our politicians. Id love to see China circling the drain.

I agree . Let's pay a little more for stuff made in North America. Probably cheaper in the long run because it will last. China is a dangerous regime.

Been doing that. If you buy ANYTHING made in China you are feeding the enemy...an enemy that has intent to devour our children or grandchildren.

OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive. If enough people stopped buying Chinese optics to the point that it was not worth their while manufacturing them, very quickly those factories would switch over to manufacturing products that you will still be buying, embedded in products that you did not even know had Chinese manufactured parts in them. If it makes you feel better to not buy things made in China, good for you. But good luck finding enough of what you need that is not at least partially made in China.

The only 2 ways this dependency or "lack of choice" problem is going to get solved, if it ever does get solved, is 1) If the United states goes to all out war with China, all trade will be cut.
2) The United states will have to change it's government. Yes, good luck in getting that done, especially now that stealing elections is doable. The United States had a President that was working on this China problem until a way was "engineered" to remove him from office. You may find a leader with close ideals and skills, but good luck finding a leader with balls that big.

I have probably 25 rifle scopes. One of them is Chinese manufactured. I have 3 Chinese made Holosun red dot sights. These 4 optics have at least one feature that is not available on other non-Chinese brands, at least to me here in Romania. I will apologize to no one on these forums or anywhere else, for buying and using these sights. If you feel strongly that buying an occasional Chinese optic is willfully aiding and enabling the enemy, then there is a whole lot of other products you should stop buying and using. RJ

^^^^^^^^^^^Way too much ^^^^^^^^^^^^

RJ:

You're not wrong in a lot of your discernments on the subject and it's interrelations. However, I feel like consciously buying Chinese is about more than supporting Big Red China.

In addition to the points already made about the political directions their Communist regime is taking, there's the fact that moving production to China is highly exploitative and as close to slave labor as exists in industrialized nations. I have a friend who's involved in the design of footware, and she tells stories of what the working conditions are like in Chinese leather tanneries that'll turn your stomach. How many folks living in the industrialized world would be pleased about having their own or their families' wages, working conditions, or even choice of jobs cut to Chinese levels?

I fully understand that not buying a few Chicom scopes isn't likely to be an economic paradigm shifter; however, if you enjoy individual freedoms and making enough money to partake in some of them, it is hypocrisy to consciously choose to support exploitative labor. I have family and friends who purport to be pro union and pro labor but continually choose to buy the cheapest Wally World junk they can find; always makes me wonder how they'd feel about working at the factory that produces the stuff they buy.

RJ, refusing to buy Communist Chinese products forcefully made by slave labor is a Good Start. Like 1000 Demoroids at the bottom of the ocean. It can’t all be accomplished at once. Government must be changed and that is coming. My fear is when stealing elections is no longer accepted by the American people the Socialist in charge will attempt to use military force to keep us from presenting our grievances to Washington in person. The result will be declaring war on the people in violation of the Constitution. At that point it would be guerrila warfare against an illegal government. That government would not stand and the result.......good I hope.

In the meanwhile are those few features of Holosun really worth YOU supporting Communism, and the people who profit from it? Really. Holosun needs to move manufacturing out of Communist control or die from lack of sales. Primary Arms is another.

I will never stop. Resistance begins with one person. Thank God we “one persons” are coming together. BOYCOTT COMMUNIST CHINA

Understand I'm less a fan of the Chinese totalitarian government than you are. Calling it commonest would have Karl Marx spinning in his grave. China is involved in gennacide (sp) , military aggression and industrial espionage on large scale. They are single greatest threat to peace in the world. But you need to understand some economics. A electronic widget that costs $100 in the store, of that only $10 was only the manufacturer's and exporters share, the rest of it, the $90 was the company designing it, the warehousing, transportation, the importers profits, and the retailer.

If want to fight them, you have to out smart them. How many of your sons and daughters went to university?

Bushnell's line that replaced the 4000 series is made in Korea , the rest are Chinese. Burris is replacing it's Fullfield II with Fullfield IV, you guessed it, made in China.

Just like 95% of Ariat boots. Fugg 'em.

yep guys no more happy endings !

Bushnell offers several scope models that are made in Japan, as well.

I avoid Chinese made products for nearly all purchases over a few hundred dollars. None of my optics are Chinese made though many no doubt contain Chinese made parts.

Bushnell offers several scope models that are made in Japan, as well.[/quote]

Bushnell lines are starting at the top, Elite Tactical, Forge, Nitro, Engage, Prime, Tac Optics, Trophy, Trophy Red Dot, AK Optics, AR Optics, and Banner. More less listed in price order. . Nitro replaced the 4000 series. I had gone searching recently. There are some very expensive optics, here. The Prime replaced the excellent 3000 series, same price range. . Get your NOS 4000 and 3000 if you can find them , NOW .. Except for the Nitro line, I think Bushnell imports Chinese.

Yes, I understand the economics. Our corporations need to do their economics in the USA. That’s my point. Both my children completed college, one cum laude from the Business School at Alabama. We out smart them by punishing them for their blatant assault on the world in particular the USA. They’d never expect it. I want the US out of China. They are our enemy and have proved it. The corporations that continue to do business with the Communist support the slave conditions of the Chinese people. Conditions that would never be tolerated here. So all y’all liking ChiCom products when alternatives are available; just buy it and wipe the blood off. Good as new.

Who here thinks we’re the only ones that feed the dumb bastards?

I can say with certainty that none of my scopes or bins in use are made in China. Who knows where every screw and widget comes from? If all Apple i-products went out of China, we’d be getting somewhere!

A few buddies are running current production Bushnell's on rigs they don't care to have a pile of cash tied up in; they are very pleased and can't say enough good about them.

I looked up a couple of the models they were having good luck with, and those particular models were made in S Korea, as were a lot of the other Bushnell models I noticed while checking coo. Seems only their very bottom tier product is Chinese, but maybe I missed something. If I were in the market for something in the price range, I'd go Korean or Philippines; at least those are democracies that aren't openly and actively trying to undermine our freedoms and purloin our intellectual properties.

And, I've had pretty good luck with most every Bushnell offering I've used or tried through the years.