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It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world. You couldn't have made your post without Chinese made goods. It's not that people do or do not like it, it's just reality until governments and huge companies stop doing business with them which isn't going to happen. You can try and not buy it but most of the time you wouldn't even know it. In my heart I know we are too far down a path to change it, and we'll never completely eliminate support China and other foreign economies, but we sure can limit it. The biggest problem is that we Americans are just too lazy to care and spend a little extra time looking for alternatives. Not every single one of us, but the majority are just too lazy or simply don't care or simply don't understand that buying from your enemy is just bad business. The CEO's of the companies that outsource their product lines make way too much money doing so. Pharmaceuticals, Machinery and Electronics . They all gave us the " we will build them up and they will stop being communist line" for decades meanwhile turning us into a service economy. We are not even a service economy any longer, that has been outsourced to India and Central America.
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I'm just going to boycott everything Beretta. They're likely calling the shots on Burris, and you can't be too safe. OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive. If enough people stopped buying Chinese optics to the point that it was not worth their while manufacturing them, very quickly those factories would switch over to manufacturing products that you will still be buying, embedded in products that you did not even know had Chinese manufactured parts in them. If it makes you feel better to not buy things made in China, good for you. But good luck finding enough of what you need that is not at least partially made in China.
The only 2 ways this dependency or "lack of choice" problem is going to get solved, if it ever does get solved, is 1) If the United states goes to all out war with China, all trade will be cut.
2) The United states will have to change it's government. Yes, good luck in getting that done, especially now that stealing elections is doable. The United States had a President that was working on this China problem until a way was "engineered" to remove him from office. You may find a leader with close ideals and skills, but good luck finding a leader with balls that big.
I have probably 25 rifle scopes. One of them is Chinese manufactured. I have 3 Chinese made Holosun red dot sights. These 4 optics have at least one feature that is not available on other non-Chinese brands, at least to me here in Romania. I will apologize to no one on these forums or anywhere else, for buying and using these sights. If you feel strongly that buying an occasional Chinese optic is willfully aiding and enabling the enemy, then there is a whole lot of other products you should stop buying and using. RJ RJ, refusing to buy Communist Chinese products forcefully made by slave labor is a Good Start. Like 1000 Demoroids at the bottom of the ocean. It can’t all be accomplished at once. Government must be changed and that is coming. My fear is when stealing elections is no longer accepted by the American people the Socialist in charge will attempt to use military force to keep us from presenting our grievances to Washington in person. The result will be declaring war on the people in violation of the Constitution. At that point it would be guerrila warfare against an illegal government. That government would not stand and the result.......good I hope. In the meanwhile are those few features of Holosun really worth YOU supporting Communism, and the people who profit from it? Really. Holosun needs to move manufacturing out of Communist control or die from lack of sales. Primary Arms is another. I will never stop. Resistance begins with one person. Thank God we “one persons” are coming together. BOYCOTT COMMUNIST CHINA Shootem, "In the meanwhile" does that car you're driving really worth YOU supporting Communism and the people who profit from it? You gave the Chinese way more money for the Chinese made parts in it than I did for those few Holosuns. RJ I’m talking about products with an alternative. My wife just bought a new Hyundai. We looked at other brands and bought based on a number of choices. Just so happened a Ford dealership was next door to the Hyundai dealership we used and an Explorer was one of our options. According to the info on the window sticker the Hyundai Sante Fe is more “U.S.”. than the Explorer. I can’t recall all the specs but that’s a fact. Easy enough to confirm. Plus The Sante Fe is assembled by American workers in Montgomery, AL. And the parent company, Kia, has another huge plant not far away from the Hyundai plant, in southwest Georgia. Brand names that seem American mean little anymore. And the time has come to minimize/replace ALL Communist Chinese components. Possible? Probably not. But I don’t have to be happy about it. Computers and smart phones are the worst. The CEOs of these industries have sold their souls. Censorship, spying on citizens, illegally interfering in elections, selling personal information to the highest bidder no matter the entity or purpose. And totally beholden to the Communist Chinese and slave labor. Laws on these industries MUST be changed. But the political corruption has metastasized so deeply the removal of this cancer may require the death of the corrupt patient. I will do everything within my minimal power to damage trade with the Communists. Some things I cannot change, many small things I can. Shootem. A lot of what you're saying, I agree with, but a few things I don't. Do you think Hyundai does not use any Chinese parts in their cars? This is a world economy and car manufacturers do not buy all of the parts for their cars in their own country. And for them to make a profit. cost is a factor. So most times they buy from the lowest bidder that meets their part spec. I do think it is a damn shame on American government if you have to buy a foreign brand automobile to get less Chinese parts than in an American brand, if that is the case. If China makes a move to re-aquire Taiwan in the middle of this decade, as is rumored, we have a lot more to worry about than buying Chinese optics. RJ As a former employee of an American gun company, I can tell you for certain that not all parts of "American made" firearms are made in the USA either. Don't you think that should change. I don't like it at all. On the other hand, most folks probably wouldn't like paying the price for American labor if every part were made in USA and a lot of others simply wouldn't be able to afford it. Hell the folks at the gun company I worked for couldn't afford to buy the guns we made. I think it would surprise many folks who think American manufacturing jobs would "bring back the American middle class" in a big way just how little many of those jobs actually pay. It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world. You couldn't have made your post without Chinese made goods. It's not that people do or do not like it, it's just reality until governments and huge companies stop doing business with them which isn't going to happen. You can try and not buy it but most of the time you wouldn't even know it. What difference would that have made. We are talking about Chinese made good. Goods made in China.
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It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world. You couldn't have made your post without Chinese made goods. It's not that people do or do not like it, it's just reality until governments and huge companies stop doing business with them which isn't going to happen. You can try and not buy it but most of the time you wouldn't even know it. In my heart I know we are too far down a path to change it, and we'll never completely eliminate support China and other foreign economies, but we sure can limit it. The biggest problem is that we Americans are just too lazy to care and spend a little extra time looking for alternatives. Not every single one of us, but the majority are just too lazy or simply don't care or simply don't understand that buying from your enemy is just bad business. What about sourcing products from friendly countries on our side of the world. Brazil for instance.
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OK, I’m an idiot demon that has no clue about world economics, in the opinion of some. Could not care less about those opinions. Yes, I know there are Communist China components in Hyundai vehicles. I’m quite sure they’re there in Bentley’s as well. That’s not the point of the problem. When there is a choice of products with similar features, some made in Communist China by enslaved people and the others made in other countries, I’m going with “others” every time. I will not knowingly, by choice, with other options put money into Communist China or those who support their manufacturing. Is that really so hard to understand?? It will be a difficult path but this economic imbalance can be improved. And if it does not start with me it will not start. I fear not. The US does not need Communist China. Cut them off, close our borders, limit immigration to those who can improve our country, allow ourselves to be energy independent, and get rid of corrupt politicians and CEOs one by one. Bold, huh. It can be done. And a very simple first step is individual effort. I’ll say again, I hope every outdoor related product imported by greedy non-Patriotic CEOs to peddle Communist Chinese produced products to free American sportsmen based on “cheaper”, rots in the warehouse. Unless I desperately need that product and there is no substitute, for my part that is what will happen.
Don’t play dumb. Stop putting up false logic. You either support Communist Chinese trade or you don’t. I DO NOT. I wish all their leaders a speedy trip to hell. May Jehovah God bring upon these Godless heathen, heartless, inhumane merchants of evil swift punishment. And I have only slightly less sympathy for the CEOs who worship increased profit at the cost of human life and freedom. Do as you wish. But don’t hide behind “yeah but”. Done. And I am morally on the high ground. No more comments here.
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.....unless dire circumstances demand. Never from choice. eom Been doing this for over 15 years now. Started when we were looking at a furniture purchase and hasn’t stopped yet. Glad others have seen the light.
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It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world. You are buying and using Chinese products or products with Chinese parts, so what makes you any different than the people you are calling out. RJ
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OK, I’m an idiot demon that has no clue about world economics, in the opinion of some. Could not care less about those opinions. Yes, I know there are Communist China components in Hyundai vehicles. I’m quite sure they’re there in Bentley’s as well. That’s not the point of the problem. When there is a choice of products with similar features, some made in Communist China by enslaved people and the others made in other countries, I’m going with “others” every time. I will not knowingly, by choice, with other options put money into Communist China or those who support their manufacturing. Is that really so hard to understand?? It will be a difficult path but this economic imbalance can be improved. And if it does not start with me it will not start. I fear not. The US does not need Communist China. Cut them off, close our borders, limit immigration to those who can improve our country, allow ourselves to be energy independent, and get rid of corrupt politicians and CEOs one by one. Bold, huh. It can be done. And a very simple first step is individual effort. I’ll say again, I hope every outdoor related product imported by greedy non-Patriotic CEOs to peddle Communist Chinese produced products to free American sportsmen based on “cheaper”, rots in the warehouse. Unless I desperately need that product and there is no substitute, for my part that is what will happen.
Don’t play dumb. Stop putting up false logic. You either support Communist Chinese trade or you don’t. I DO NOT. I wish all their leaders a speedy trip to hell. May Jehovah God bring upon these Godless heathen, heartless, inhumane merchants of evil swift punishment. And I have only slightly less sympathy for the CEOs who worship increased profit at the cost of human life and freedom. Do as you wish. But don’t hide behind “yeah but”. Done. And I am morally on the high ground. No more comments here. My thoughts exactly shootem..........
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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I try to buy US made when I can. That being said there is a few US companies I try to avoid. Amazon comes to mind along with Coke. Hasbeen
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Boycott China? Wake up! China is past our capacity to control. The whole US, and both parties, bought into the plan that sent our corporations out of country for low costs, max profits, and killed our jobs. Which benefits the rich and fux the rest. Boycotts are way after the horse is outta the barn. Get used to it.
Wanna boycott something?, go after the corporate pirates.
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Boycott China? Wake up! China is past our capacity to control. The whole US, and both parties, bought into the plan that sent our corporations out of country for low costs, max profits, and killed our jobs. Which benefits the rich and fux the rest. Boycotts are way after the horse is outta the barn. Get used to it.
Wanna boycott something?, go after the corporate pirates. Un friggin believable. Sir, we are the greatest country in the world, but we must regain control. That is why China hates us so and has done everything up to and including using biological warfare to disrupt our society, our economy and our elections. And you are the least of their worries. So give up. It might be hard. Never imagined the number of surrender warriors our society contained until I started writing dissent. smh
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Boycott China all you want, but both our corrupt parties bowed to corporations to send jobs to the cheapest locales. It's the way capitalism works.
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It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world. You are buying and using Chinese products or products with Chinese parts, so what makes you any different than the people you are calling out. RJ I care. I’m doing something about it t. I don’t just sit back and complain then go to Chinamart for groceries and cheap shirts. I stopped. That’s what makes me different. When I can get non-communist products I do. When distributors insist on bringing in our enemy’s products I complain. I boycott. Only two emails so far; Burris and Athlon Optics. There will be more. What have you done besides buy the cheapest Chinese red dot you can find? And bitch about people that do more?
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