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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: Jackson_Handy] #16005502 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
I quit being an fto because A. The FTO's (lazy worthless sacks of garbage that shouldn't even be a cop let alone teaching a new one) B. The tard new hires.

The process is bullsheit and the liability isn't worth it (plus it's a lot a f ucking work to do it correctly)


They should not exist. I don't care what anybody says. They should not exist.


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Get Robert to ride with you instead of Royce.


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Bingo.

Arm bars and leg sweeps can sometimes compel some folks that the cuffs are the easy route. Sometimes knees are needed for further encouragement.

But tasers are worthless 90% of the time.


Techniques aside, how many situations do we see go bad simply because one of the officers doesn't have the strength to grab onto a grown man's arm and hang on to the grown man's arm?

All these departments and agencies sending their Less Lethal guys to Gracie schools and schit. I don't need an MMA champion with me. I need somebody strong enough to bear hug a grown man's ankles and keep him immobile for a few (long) seconds.


Yep. When you have to hand out those damn grip strength trainers ( looks like a walnut cracker with a spring) so the chick new hire has the strength to pull her new pistols slide back to catch the slide lock (true situation btw), how in the holy f uck do you think she'll be able to cuff a grown man that says "no"?

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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy

Yep. When you have to hand out those damn grip strength trainers ( looks like a walnut cracker with a spring) so the chick new hire has the strength to pull her new pistols slide back to catch the slide lock (true situation btw), how in the holy f uck do you think she'll be able to cuff a grown man that says "no"?


A recipe for success if there ever was one.


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Originally Posted by mathman


Get Robert to ride with you instead of Royce.


Two extremes but one has far more practicality than the other.


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I get you. Robert may have some trouble getting out of the cruiser quickly. He's 6' 7" and 400 pounds.


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I get you. Robert may have some trouble getting out of the cruiser quickly. He's 6' 7" and 400 pounds.


I like that guy.

Rogan did a podcast with him. He's pretty funny.


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A buddy of mine's younger son, one of my "nephews", is 16 and about 160 pounds. He wrestles and does some weight lifting. He's not real big in the overall scheme of things, but he's not easy to move around if he doesn't want to be moved. I can't imagine very many female officers that could legitimately handle a belligerent 200+ pound version of the same.


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Originally Posted by deflave
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I get you. Robert may have some trouble getting out of the cruiser quickly. He's 6' 7" and 400 pounds.


I like that guy.

Rogan did a podcast with him. He's pretty funny.


Robert is a great character. He looks like he knows how to have a good time with anyone.


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Originally Posted by mathman
A buddy of mine's younger son, one of my "nephews", is 16 and about 160 pounds. He wrestles and does some weight lifting. He's not real big in the overall scheme of things, but he's not easy to move around if he doesn't want to be moved. I can't imagine very many female officers that could legitimately handle a belligerent 200+ pound version of the same.


...or your nephew.

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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
I quit being an fto because A. The FTO's (lazy worthless sacks of garbage that shouldn't even be a cop let alone teaching a new one) B. The tard new hires.

The process is bullsheit and the liability isn't worth it (plus it's a lot a f ucking work to do it correctly)


They should not exist. I don't care what anybody says. They should not exist.



If, as a Chief, you don’t trust all your coppers to train a new hire.........you’ve had schitty hiring practices in the past.


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Originally Posted by mathman
A buddy of mine's younger son, one of my "nephews", is 16 and about 160 pounds. He wrestles and does some weight lifting. He's not real big in the overall scheme of things, but he's not easy to move around if he doesn't want to be moved. I can't imagine very many female officers that could legitimately handle a belligerent 200+ pound version of the same.


My son is 19 years old.

6' 3" and weighs 190lbs.

Squats 315, benches 235, and deadlifts 425.

I have to be nice to him now.


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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by mathman
A buddy of mine's younger son, one of my "nephews", is 16 and about 160 pounds. He wrestles and does some weight lifting. He's not real big in the overall scheme of things, but he's not easy to move around if he doesn't want to be moved. I can't imagine very many female officers that could legitimately handle a belligerent 200+ pound version of the same.


...or your nephew.


True story.

Can apply to a lot of male officers too though. To be fair.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy


Bingo.

Arm bars and leg sweeps can sometimes compel some folks that the cuffs are the easy route. Sometimes knees are needed for further encouragement.

But tasers are worthless 90% of the time.


Techniques aside, how many situations do we see go bad simply because one of the officers doesn't have the strength to grab onto a grown man's arm and hang on to the grown man's arm?

All these departments and agencies sending their Less Lethal guys to Gracie schools and schit. I don't need an MMA champion with me. I need somebody strong enough to bear hug a grown man's ankles and keep him immobile for a few (long) seconds.
Yep.


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And it's not just size and gym strength. Having had "confrontational contact" like wrestling makes quite a bit of difference in how one naturally and reflexively handles oneself.


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Originally Posted by mathman
And it's not just size and gym strength. Having had "confrontational contact" like wrestling makes quite a bit of difference in how one naturally and reflexively handles oneself.


Yep, never fugg with a wrestler.

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When I did a ride along with my nephew, I met a fellow officer who was 6'6" but not the least bit lanky. He looked like Superman scaled up to 6'6". He must have been pushing 300 pounds. My nephew said he didn't like anyone commenting on his size.


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Gotta wonder if that lady cop has ever drawn Mr. Glock or Sparky while on the street.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
Gotta wonder if that lady cop has ever drawn Mr. Glock or Sparky while on the street.



Or even in practice



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Originally Posted by ironbender
Gotta wonder if that lady cop has ever drawn Mr. Glock or Sparky while on the street.



26yrs? Unless she was assigned to a broom closet her entire career and escaped on that single fateful day, I guarantee she had.

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