The biggest problem I have with Osteen and the others is this "if you have enough faith, abundance and blessing is heading your way. It takes grace right out of the equation. The fact is, bad things happen to Christians and non-Christians alike.....or better yet "it rains on the just and the unjust". You never hear these guys preach that (the Truth).
Or any other truth that makes the congregation squirm. Those big city mega churches are one thing, but the rural folks have them too. Just to scale.
Big church, youth this, youth that, youth pastors, associate pastors, hindereds of members.
What they don't have is a preacher that hammers the word, And occasionally kicks then in the butt. They go to church, to go to church. See and be seen. There are churches with the solid type of preachers. For some reason, they have less attendance!
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Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
The biggest problem I have with Osteen and the others is this "if you have enough faith, abundance and blessing is heading your way. It takes grace right out of the equation. The fact is, bad things happen to Christians and non-Christians alike.....or better yet "it rains on the just and the unjust". You never hear these guys preach that (the Truth).
can't make lots of coin preaching the truth. He's no different that Bernie Madoff. In fact he and his addicted to plastic surgery and private jets wife are worse and if there is a Hell he and all of his minions will rot there.
I don’t see a problem with him, or anybody else having a lotta money. Good for them, and more money to em’. The problem, according to Jesus, isn’t them having the money; the problem is the money having them. A dude on here recently said Christians were supposed to sell everything they had and give the money to the poor. He said it more than once. Jesus ‘did’ say that to the rich young ruler, ‘because’ money was his god, he loved his money more than he loved God. That’s why he was so sad when Jesus told him that. It was clear what was truly important to the rich young ruler. It was money, first and foremost, even over God.
Him having money is not the problem. The problem is him bullshitting people into believing that they will be saved by giving it to him.
Pure grifter.
Jesus told me to get a jet to spread the word!! Yeah, buddy! Maybe you’ll spread your brains on the ceiling.
PTL!!! Amen!
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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He graduated from Humble High School, a public high school in the city of Humble, Texas, in 1981,[6] and attended Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where he studied radio and television communications, but did not graduate; he did not receive a degree from a divinity school.[7][8] In 1982, he returned to Houston, founded Lakewood's television program, and produced his father's televised sermons for 17 years until January 1999, when his father died unexpectedly from a heart attack.[7][9]
He knows the jesus.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
Seen a few of em There'll be a whore or a twinkie come along with some photos or videos and he'll have to start up a new gig like swaggart or lamb or baker or tilton did ( I'm sure there's many others, I just can't remember all of them )
Have you noticed he preaches with his eyes closed, every now and then he peeks just to see if anyone is still sitting there listening to his bull shît.
They hold services in the building that used to be the home of the Houston Rockets. They spent about a hundred million dollars renovating the building into their church home. He’s pretty popular down there. They have about 6 services a week and average over 50,000 worshippers a week. I’ve tried to watch the guy, but he just doesn’t do it for me. Same with trying to read one of his books. It just ain’t there, for me.
Too much feel-good-ism brand of Christianity, I don’t see him admonishing or exhorting people in their wicked, earthly ways too much. Just a bunch of happy jive type BS.
That appeals to channel surfer Christians.
Slum nailed it. We discussed Osteen in our Sunday School class yesterday. He preaches what people want to hear, which in turn means they open up their wallets for him.
The biggest problem I have with Osteen and the others is this "if you have enough faith, abundance and blessing is heading your way. It takes grace right out of the equation. The fact is, bad things happen to Christians and non-Christians alike.....or better yet "it rains on the just and the unjust". You never hear these guys preach that (the Truth).
You also never hear him preaching about Jesus or the Holy Spirit. I can remember when his old man's church was next door to a tittie bar on Winkler. Think the old man was into saving souls instead of the broad way where Joel's headed.
About 15 years or so ago my wife and daughters and I were on a mini-vacation in Branson about a week before Christmas. We were on the Landing doing some shopping and went into Bass Pro Shops, just looking and hanging out. I turned the corner from one aisle into the next and there were Joel and his wife browsing some items. I had known Joel's older brother, Paul, about 20 years prior to that when we were on the same dorm wing my freshman year at ORU. So I figured what the heck, I'll go ahead and introduce myself to him. I did so and we chatted for a few minutes, small talk about fishing and families and stuff. He was real nice, just a regular guy. Anyway, our conversation ended and we went our ways. About an hour later my family and I went to a BBQ place in Branson for dinner. A few minutes after we got seated, in walks Joel and his wife. As they walked by us towards their seats, he gave me a wave and a smile. So I guess that was my "brush with fame," LOL!
Like some of the previous posters in this thread have mentioned, sometimes I wonder about the message he preaches, how it's sort of soft and feel-good. But also as some have said, he probably reaches people that may not have otherwise heard the gospel and they are ministered to. But I won't judge him as far as the money aspects and stuff as that's not my place, it's God's, and one day in eternity he will have to give account for his actions, as we all will.
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