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Had a buddy with a Brown Whelen way back in the 70's. He ran the 275 Hornady in it, thumped a few elk. Sold it to another buddy who kept it to his death. The steps above are good advice on necking up whatever brass you have then put the BW neck on it just enough to get a solid hold. Load up normal Whelen loads and fireform. Most of the gains from the standard Whelen and the AI or BW are really pressure differences in the handloads I would say. Loading to 60 PSI in the standard whelen with good modern powders will get you to over 2600 FPS in normal barrels with a 250 cup and core.

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I just posted in the big bore forum. I just bought a 35 Brown Whelen. Don't listen to the naysayers! There's always someone who has to say that their choice is superior. I suspect that they have a short dick and can't help writing how their thoughts are superior to others' thoughts.

Loaddata has some loads which came from an Handloader article.

Ackley has a short write up in his "Handbook for Shooters & Reloaders". He claims to get 200 FPS over the Whelen with 300 grain bullets, 200 FPS with 250 grain, and 150 FPS with 220 grain bullets.

I was looking at Loaddata and comparing 35 Brown Whelen with 350 RM (I have two 350 RM's) and the increase looks to be similar.

Having wrote that I wonder if those Brown Whelen loads were pressure tested.

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Steve in OR look a couple of posts above you posted that you use a 24 foot barrel. Maybe hit the shift key. wink Be Well and never waste your time on Asstralabs or Steelhead. RZ.


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This is what I have accomplished so far. Bought the Handbook of cartridge conversions. I have expanded them up to .375 and then run them thru my 35 BW sizing die.
That was my next question whether to use a middle 35 Whelen load to fireform. I only split 4 cases out of 75. Thought that was pretty good. Thanks for the advice.

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Bugger, I got this Brown-Whelen because it got my curiosity up. I have a regular Whelen and a 350 Rem Mag,along with a 358 Norma Mag. I'm a big bore Lover myself.BTW Thanks for your service Marine, Retired Navy here. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Ep3jflyer
Bugger, I got this Brown-Whelen because it got my curiosity up. I have a regular Whelen and a 350 Rem Mag,along with a 358 Norma Mag. I'm a big bore Lover myself.BTW Thanks for your service Marine, Retired Navy here. Any advice would be appreciated.


Thank you for that and all the fine rides you guys gave us. haha -- I'm a sucker for big bore rifles and for something a little different.

Look at the big-bore forum regarding the 35 BW.

Those loads listed on that thread seems warm to me just because of how the author seems to have loaded to where there were 'signs' of too much pressure - then backed off a grain or two. "A person can get amazing velocity with amazing pressures."

I'd imagine that MD's rule of percent increased capacity, percent increased powder, will get you increased velocity might be the way to go.

Also there's a link, which I've lost for now that simulates the old Powley slide rule - that might be a good reference place.

When I bought the rifle the guy gave me some of his old reloads. I rarely trust some one else's reloads. But I measured the powder and his reloads seem to be about the same as Whelen loads. He wrote the loads on the side of the box, but I measured any how. I'm still not sure I'll shoot his loads.


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My Whelen is plenty good enough as is. The new data from Speer has it on par with the 338 Win mag. Seems like that is a pretty useful place to be and the Whelen easily loads down to mild deer loads. With your bullet selection there is not much you couldn't hunt with the standard Whelen.


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More than 30 yrs. ago I had Randall Redman rebore a pre'64 M/70 to .35 Whelen, it has been my go to rifle for whitetail ever since. When I got the rifle back from Redman I did extensive range testing of most bullet/powder selections popular at the time. I found that Sierra 225gr. Game Kings over IMR 4064 gave the best accuracy, that was my hunting load for many years. Fast forward a bit and I had rotator cuff surgery on my shooting shoulder, in search of a milder load I consulted Ken Water's Pet Loads. Ken spoke highly of a load consisting of a 200gr. Hornady Inter-lok RN and IMR 3031 powder. My first trip to the range with that load proved Water's findings as to accuracy of the load to be valid. The first group with that load produced a 3 shot cloverleaf @ 100yds., I'd found my new whitetail load. The first whitetail I harvested with this load was a raking shot @ 100yds., the bullet entered just ahead of the last two ribs and traversed the body coming to rest just under the skin of the far shoulder. It was perfectly mushroomed and retained 66% of it original weight. When field dressed the contents of the chest cavity looked as if they'd been put in a blender. Somehow the buck managed a 40yd. run before piling up with his antlers tangled in a fence.

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Many years ago, my brother and I were in an Ace Hardware store in Sioux Falls. On the rack were two Remington 700 35 Whelen's. One was priced under dealer cost, while the other was priced at retail. The clerk told us that if a rifle doesn't sell the price would be lowered until it sold. The two rifles looked like twins. My brother needed the "cheap" rifle more than I. He used it on elk and deer. One of his kids wanted it after he died, because it was his "favorite" - otherwise I would have bought it at his estate sale. It was very accurate and it dropped elk and deer fast. I've been looking for a decent priced 700 35 Whelen ever since.
Now I have two Remington 350 Rem Mags (600 & 700 Classic), on my second 35 Remington (a JM Marlin), on my second 358 Win (a re-barreled Remington 700), and this 35 Brown Whelen.

It's my experience that the 35's do quite well. Maybe I need a 358 Norma Mag - I have a re-stocked Ruger 77 that could be a donor...


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Originally Posted by MuskegMan

Originally Posted by Steve_in_OR
I do believe it is the most you can get out of an 06 based 35 cal.


I hope Freddy Zeglin (358 Hawk inventor) doesn't get wind of this . . . smirk


JES bored my 30 Gibbs to 35 Gibbs and I believe that's about all a 06 case will handle, but it does with ease and 2700fps w/250 gr is easily attainable with probably a bit more,, I have studied Hawk,Ackley,and Brown Whelen a bunch and they are all cool. The 280 Swift A Frame @ 2450fps is a deadly combo for moose and brown bear.


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So which cartridge has more case capacity: 35 Gibbs or 35 Brown Whelen? I suspect the are about the same case, aren't they?


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I took my Brown Whelen out to shoot a couple of days ago. The previous owner didn't modify the feed ramp or the magazine for the larger case - it fed poorly. This rifle is a pre-64 Winchester. I think I'll have the barrel set back and re-chambered for the 35 Whelen. I don't mind messing with the feed on a Mauser, but don't want to modify this action. If someone needs a 35 Brown Whelen set of RCBS dies and some used brass, give me a holler. This is a chance to get some specialty dies at a reasonable price.


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This is what I'm after now...... the 6.5 RPM necked up to 358 cal holds 83.0 gr of h20, my improved version holds 90 gr of h20

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There is this cartridge called the 358 Norma Magnum that you can even get ammo for -------

https://www.handloadermagazine.com/the-heavyweight-358-norma

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Rather than alter the feed on my pre-64 action, I had the barrel set back and chambered for the35 Whelen. I have had a set of 35 Whelen dies waiting for a rifle some time now. So if anyone wants a set of 35 Brown Whelen dies, I have a set that probably I'll never need.


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That’s a very cool picture. I wouldn’t mind doing that to my 400 whelen.


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great read.own many rifles in different calibers.a custom 358 sta and i bought a 35 whelen new in a rem classic in 1989.sent it to one of the few smiths i trusted who redid the rifle.barrel,trued action the right way and new rimrock stock from jim borden.one of the best stock designs ever.all the required work.clay spencer was the smith.opinionated was a understatement.he retired and was one ot the best ever.anyway i have taken elk,moose and bear with it.it kills above its pay grade with minimal recoil.shoots well under 1/2 inch with different loads and bullets.yes the 35 whelen in any guise is a great caliber.by the way one bear was a grizz just under 200 yards.went ten yards.

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I have a .35 Brown-Whelen built by Curt in Forest Grove Oregon in the 1980's 22" Douglas premium barrel on a Ruger #3 action with new #1 wood. My elk load is a Speer 250 gr spitzer chrono'd @ 2625 fps over 63 gr of IMR 4064. Earlier had a standard .35 Whelen on a 700 ADL with a 24" barrel that got about 100 fps less out of 54.5 gr of IMR 3031.


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Anyone try a 25 or 270 on the B/W case?

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Originally Posted by archeratlrg
Anyone try a 25 or 270 on the B/W case?

The 280AI is the same as the Briwn Whelen necked down to 7mm.


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