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If the bear is close enough to be sprayed with bear spray, you ought to have already put 2-3 rounds into it. You are wasting valuable seconds only to find out it won't work... That sir is correct.
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Even with a substantial caliber firearm on you, if a bear charges you by surprise before you even know he's upon you, you may still be ph ucked.
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The experts tell us that bear spray is better than a gun. Well, it's better for the bear.
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If the bear is close enough to be sprayed with bear spray, you ought to have already put 2-3 rounds into it. You are wasting valuable seconds only to find out it won't work... No doubt! You two rocket surgeons have a lot of experience around grizzlies down there in Texas? LOL My guess is other than a zoo neither of you have ever laid eyes on one.
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If the bear is close enough to be sprayed with bear spray, you ought to have already put 2-3 rounds into it. You are wasting valuable seconds only to find out it won't work... No doubt! You two rocket surgeons have a lot of experience around grizzlies down there in Texas? LOL My guess is other than a zoo neither of you have ever laid eyes on one. So tell us Heavy Goose, what's your experience in the deep dark woods?
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If the bear is close enough to be sprayed with bear spray, you ought to have already put 2-3 rounds into it. You are wasting valuable seconds only to find out it won't work... No doubt! You two rocket surgeons have a lot of experience around grizzlies down there in Texas? LOL My guess is other than a zoo neither of you have ever laid eyes on one. So tell us Heavy Goose, what's your experience in the deep dark woods? Which state would you like to hear about? Alaska, Montana, Idaho or Wyoming? Been around them in all 4.
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You two rocket surgeons have a lot of experience around grizzlies down there in Texas? LOL
My guess is other than a zoo neither of you have ever laid eyes on one. So tell us Heavy Goose, what's your experience in the deep dark woods? \ He was a Rump Ranger in the the Boy Scouts.
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You never know, more than one armed person has been taken out before they could fire a round. I keep my sidearm in a retention holster so maybe I have a chance if I get attacked and rolled around on the ground.
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Maybe have both available. There's going to be times that weather conditions (wind) aren't going to be favorable for using spray. I've burned many in the ass with a load of #4 Remington Steel. Most times they go away and never come back. If they do, most are very wary of humans and wary of metallic sounds in particular. A few stubborn ones have needed lead pilled. The experts tell us that bear spray is better than a gun. Well, it's better for the bear. Most of the so-called "experts" really haven't spent a whole lot of time in bear country, and when they make recommendations without using a layered set of solutions, they're promoting an agenda rather than a useful contingency plan.
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How do you idenfity grizz scat?
1. It smells like pepper 2. It has little bells in it
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The bunny-huggers love pepper for bears. So I dip my bullets in cayenne before I load them into my 44s or 454 Casull. Best of both worlds. Right?
All joking aside, spray usually works, but I would NOT bet my life on spray alone EVER! I carry guns, usually both a handgun and a long arm. Where I live and hunt Grizzlies are very common. I have personally never been charged, but I wear a seat belt when I drive too, and I have never been in a bad wreck either.
Because you haven't doesn't mean you never will.
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Too bad the bear didn't maul maxine waters instead.
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A Short-barreled tactical 12-ga pump with Brenneke slugs, slung and part of the weight sacrifice of fishing in that country. That would not guarantee anything but it’s not intuitive to rely on a noxious mist (which could disable oneself) subject to breezes.
This poor guy did not get to defend his action before a judge. I’d take my chances.
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I’m gonna hazard a guess that a spring grizzly bear guarding a carcass is likely to charge with little preamble or warning.
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I’m gonna hazard a guess that a spring grizzly bear guarding a carcass is likely to charge with little preamble or warning. They are a little cranky this time if after not eating for 4 months. They tend to wander closer to people down low looking for food as the snow melts. Lots of snacks from winter die-off coming out of freezer.
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The damn food seasoning failed again eh?
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I'm guessing that if he's close enough for spray you are supper. 12 gauge slugs or heavy rifle bullets at the first sign of trouble might work. I've never had a hostile encounter with a bear but I've seen them cover a good bit of ground pretty fast. I'm betting he can make 15 or 20 feet per second.
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I'm guessing that if he's close enough for spray you are supper. 12 gauge slugs or heavy rifle bullets at the first sign of trouble might work. I've never had a hostile encounter with a bear but I've seen them cover a good bit of ground pretty fast. I'm betting he can make 15 or 20 feet per second. A grizzly bears speed is 35 MPH. Phil Shoemaker stopped a grizzly bear charge and killed the bear with a 9mm shooting 147 Buffalo Bore's +P Outdoorsman Ammo
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