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Hopping he will sign this post haste.. Bill to Kill up to 90% of Idaho Wolves Heads to Governor
BOISE, Idaho (AP) — The Idaho House on Tuesday approved legislation allowing the state to hire private contractors and expand methods to kill wolves roaming Idaho.
Lawmakers voted 58-11 to send the agriculture industry-backed bill to Republican Gov. Brad Little. The fast-tracked bill that allows the use of night-vision equipment to kill wolves as well as hunting from snowmobiles and all-terrain vehicles, among other measures, passed the Senate last week.
Backers said changes to Idaho law could help cut the wolf population from about 1,500 to 150, alleviating wolf attacks on cattle, sheep and wildlife.
“We have areas of the state where the wolves are having a real detrimental impact on our wildlife,” said House Majority Leader Mike Moyle, one of the bill's sponsors. “They are hurting the herds, elk and deer. This allows the Wolf (Depredation) Control Board and others to control them, also, which we have not done in the past.”
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Almost unbelievable in today’s woke world.
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Now if we could do the same for predators such as antifa & blm 🤔
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I'd wager a goodly amount that there's far more than 1500 wolves in Idaho.
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Is there a problem with allowing hunters to do the deed?
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Is there a problem with allowing hunters to do the deed? Come on out and try, big talker! You can shoot, trap, just about year round, multiple tags, have at. Recreational hunters will never even dent the population.
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They killed a few just recreating in WI recently.
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No, the things you mention will not take down 90% of the wolves.
Hunting from the air would make a dent, but the costs associated with doing that limit its use.
The one way you can get to numbers like that is poisoning. Wolves will adjust to all else.
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No, the things you mention will not take down 90% of the wolves.
Hunting from the air would make a dent, but the costs associated with doing that limit its use.
The one way you can get to numbers like that is poisoning. Wolves will adjust to all else.
Osky Trap 2, give them the parvovirus and release them back to their packs.
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There is a reason there was a bounty on wolves last century.
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More states need to do this.
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Is there a problem with allowing hunters to do the deed? Come on out and try, big talker! You can shoot, trap, just about year round, multiple tags, have at. Recreational hunters will never even dent the population. Hell, if the problem was here in MI, I would be happily entertained with the prospect. Thanks for your bash tho', Bigmouth.
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Now if we could do the same for predators such as antifa & blm 🤔 I would Co sponsor that bill.
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Is there a problem with allowing hunters to do the deed? Come on out and try, big talker! You can shoot, trap, just about year round, multiple tags, have at. Recreational hunters will never even dent the population. Same in AK. Wolves travel circuits. Even a dedicated trapper will only see them pass through an accessible area every couple of weeks or so. I've done quite a bit of calling and if they're in the area, they'll respond back with threats, but not approach close enough for a shot even at night. I've seen and crossed paths with several, I've only managed to get on the trigger on one. Trapping is also difficult due to their nature that they prefer to kill their own meat rather than pick over schitt that's already dead at a baited set. That's why we had and have to do aerial control. Plus they routinely travel where we humans can't generally go without flying or taking long sno-go trips.
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Is there a problem with allowing hunters to do the deed? Come on out and try, big talker! You can shoot, trap, just about year round, multiple tags, have at. Recreational hunters will never even dent the population. For sure. Hunters and trappers can buy 15 tags a year and in most areas the season is year round. About the only restriction is that we can't shoot them at night. That's a state law, not a F&G regulation. Most hunters will never see one. You don't just run out and shoot you a wolf.
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Is there a problem with allowing hunters to do the deed? Come on out and try, big talker! You can shoot, trap, just about year round, multiple tags, have at. Recreational hunters will never even dent the population. Correct. Almost impossible to achieve a 90% reduction in population, (ir)regardless of the totality of methods used. Even @ 25% every year, there will be a steady-state equilibrium gained.
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Wolves were only ever driven out and killed out by methods that won’t be utilized today. First was indiscriminate pest control...poison. The second was that we also happened to kill just about everything they could eat too. Neither of those are going to happen on a big scale now, so...
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More states need to do this. If the surrounding States and Canada do nothing about Wolves, then the effects will only be temporary. Any Wolf cull should involve the entire Pacific Northwest or even a larger area. Numbers are sketchy but I feel safe to say Wolves have killed 50% of Ungulates in my area. Also, they don't eat everything they kill, that's total BS. If there is any animal that we can live without, its Wolves.
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Is there a problem with allowing hunters to do the deed? Come on out and try, big talker! You can shoot, trap, just about year round, multiple tags, have at. Recreational hunters will never even dent the population. Same in AK. Wolves travel circuits. Even a dedicated trapper will only see them pass through an accessible area every couple of weeks or so. I've done quite a bit of calling and if they're in the area, they'll respond back with threats, but not approach close enough for a shot even at night. I've seen and crossed paths with several, I've only managed to get on the trigger on one. Trapping is also difficult due to their nature that they prefer to kill their own meat rather than pick over schitt that's already dead at a baited set. That's why we had and have to do aerial control. Plus they routinely travel where we humans can't generally go without flying or taking long sno-go trips. A friend is one of Alaska's best trappers. He and his neighbor were responsible for reducing Nelchina Basin's wolf population with trapping and a heavy dose of aerial shooting. He send me a photo with 97 wolf hides tacked to his barn that they took that first season. I have it enlarged and find it to very very, very impressive. 😁
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