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I shot my Guide gun today with a load I think I'm gonna like for thickass woods hunting for deer.

355 grain cast at 1355 fps, using AA5744. Kicked less than the .308 Howa LW I was also zeroing with a load using a 155 Scenar.

That's a change, and it still shows evidence of being lethal, at least at one end. Shot it a few times, no bruised shoulder and no headache.

I may move up to 405 grain bullets which would pretty much emulate the original BP loading.

There's something about the .45-70 I just like.

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The standard 405 gr 45-70 load is awesome, and is highly addictive and will do anything you need very handily. Go heavier and the recoil starts to get unpleasant fast


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Yea, I've tried a 540 grainer at 1550 fps, and my "standard" load is a 436 grain bullet at 1679 fps, and also tried a 300 grain HP at 2200 fps, all are obnoxious in the recoil department, 10 or so rounds and that's it.

I could shoot the 355/1355 load all day.

I bet it'll still fully penetrate an animal bigger than a whitetail.

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Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
The standard 405 gr 45-70 load is awesome, and is highly addictive and will do anything you need very handily. Go heavier and the recoil starts to get unpleasant fast


Yup

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My guide gun is set up with factory sights, warne 1 piece base, leupold qrw rings and a leupold vx3 1.5-5 with no4 reticle. I load 405 laser cast over 38gr of 3031. Cloverleafs 3 at 100.

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Bullet weight and velocity give recoil. I shoot the Speer 300 grain over a full charge of Re7 in my 1895XLR.
I have an original 1879 Springfield carbine that was re-lined by Bob Hoyt and the 405 jsp at 1240 fps is way milder to shoot but trajectory drops of quickly compared to the full power loads in the Marlin.

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Any idea of the velocity you are getting with 38 grains of 3031?


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Originally Posted by LouisB
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Any idea of the velocity you are getting with 38 grains of 3031?


Ive never chronoed them but according to book should be 1250-1300 or so

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Good morning everyone. Am new to the Marlin 1895 GBL and would like to know when it was made. Could someone please kelp. Serial # MR62232F

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Find the two letter stamp or the two letter code on the box.

Look up manufacturer dates in search engines.


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Great thread! I went to the range today and shot my new Henry 45-70, forgot how much Fun they were! My 1st rifle out of high school was a Marlin 45-70, killed alot of deer with it. Went the Shiloh & sharps Black route, for About 10 years, then a 1886 light weight 45-70, loved that rifle! I shot the Rem. 405s out of it, killed a 400lb black bear and a buffalo with it. Shot thru both of them. Got dies and brass ready to reload, have a bunch of cast bullets, but will have to go thru them. I have 3031, trail boss and Unique powder, just have to figure out a load.


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For deer hunting, what do you really need with a .45-70?

The 1876 Winchester .45-60 factory load was 60 grains of black powder and a 300 grain soft cast round nose bullet at 1315 FPS, which hunters back then used on elk, moose, and black bear. This in a 26" barrel rifle.

The Ideal (Lyman) 330 grain soft cast round nose hollow point at around 1275 FPS was also popular. Considering the velocity and bullet and appearance it's sort of emulates a giant version of the .22LR.

In a .45-70 you could use about 28 grains of AA5744 with a soft cast 350 grain round nose flat point bullet to get around 1250 FPS for deer hunting. AA5744 is not position sensitive, so velocity is pretty constant.

Low recoil and all that you need for deer within 100 yards or so.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Vic_in_Va
The Williams receiver sight uses the rear scope base holes.


Not the ones I always installed on my Marlins. They were always mounted on the side.


Like the song says:

"That was yesterday, and yesterday's gone."

The side-mounted Williams receiver sight was replaced with a top-mounted version when Marlin curiously decided not to drill their receivers for the side-mounted sights anymore.

The new one looks and functions much the same.


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While I’ve yet to hunt with my 45-70, as I only started loading for it last September.....I’m very impressed with the performance from my Marlin Guide Gun.

I’m running my 430 grain, “homegrown” powder coated, cast bullets @ 1790 fps. Should be good for anything that I’ll encounter and getting just over 1”, 5 shot groups @ 100 yards.

The recoil isn’t bad, probably the Pachmyar recoil pad helps a great deal. It’s easier to shoot from the bench, than my wife’s .338 WM.

And in my attempt to dispel the belief that it is “too much gun” for smallish, big game, I fervently believe that, there is no such thing.....at least from a typical, shoulder-fired, firearm! memtb

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My 1895 wears one of two scopes. I have a Leupold FX-II 2.5X Ultralight in Warne QD rings which is very light and unobtrusive. A more unconventional scope, and one I like better, is a Burris MTAC 1-4. The illuminated dot with a circle around it is fast. The optics are fantastic, and the scope is built like a tank, without being as heavy as one. It has the Burris posi-lock on it and it has very failed to stay zeroed. I had this scope laying around and said, why not? I'm glad I did. It has worked out on my .45-70 very well.

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And as you can see, it's not any more obtrusive than the Burris E1 2-7X36 on my .30-30 336.

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Marlin XLR 24" Bbl. Ballard deep grove rifling. Have been casting & powder coating a Saeco 350gr GC & a Lyman 330gr PBHP bullets. The PC works like a jacket & provides amazing accuracy with not the slightest sign of lead. Bore stays clean just like shooting jacketed bullets.[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc][Linked Image from i.postimg.cc] Leupold 2x7 with Warne quick detach rings for instant use of open sights.

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Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
The standard 405 gr 45-70 load is awesome, and is highly addictive and will do anything you need very handily. Go heavier and the recoil starts to get unpleasant fast


Forgive my ignorance, just getting ready to load some for my new-to-me GG in 45-70. What's the 'standard' load? I have some 5744 powder and some Oregon Trail 405 gr cast bullets was going to load up first.


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Every time I think about selling my guide gun I run across threads like this that make me second gues myself

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Originally Posted by SS336
Your going to like your Marlin a lot Jorge. Great rifle in a great a cartridge. Mine is from 1978, I bought used 18 years ago. Refinished it, changed the trigger and ejector and smoothed it up some. Mine has a scope mounted mostly because I find peep sights difficult in low light.
Shoot mostly reloads in it, I don’t load it to to hot, no need. The load I use most, for deer, 300gr Hornady at about 1400-1500 fps goes completely through and leaves a impressive blood trail.

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How much 5744 are you stuffing under that 355 grainer?


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