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I don't own one, I've just been curious about how it works. Seems simple, except this: in the later models you can engage the safety regardless of whether the weapon is cocked or not, and the user manual tells you to first engage the safety when you start loading it. But, all the diagrams I've seen show that after firing, the cocking piece is pressing the sear down, which seemingly makes it impossible to engage the safety which holds the sear up.

What makes it possible? What's the actual position of the cocking piece and the sear after firing when everything has stopped moving?

Sorry if this is slightly off topic here but I tried asking some less knowledgeable folks first, unsuccessfully.

This should help.

Thanks, but not quite. I'm looking for something that shows or explains how the parts are when uncocked and with safety engaged. Also preferably using the X-Mark Pro as an example since at least the earliest models with those Walker triggers indeed didn't let you do that.

There is no safe fired at the same time.....at least on a walker.

Yes: my question is regarding the newer ones where there supposedly is unless I misunderstand quite completely what https://www.rem870.com/remington700_owners_manual.pdf means when it says:

Always put the safety mechanism in the ‘S’ position before handling, loading or unloading the firearm.
...
II. TO LOAD THE CHAMBER AND MAGAZINE:
1. Always point the firearm in a safe direction.
2. Put the safety mechanism in the ‘S’ position.
3. Raise the bolt handle.
4. Pull the bolt handle all the way back

Here's the x mark pro for reference.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...tthread/Board/22/main/176788/type/thread

Interesting discussion, but didn't unfortunately solve my specific vexation.

The confusion is that it's assuming it is an unfired situation in which you cannot pull the safety until the cocking cam has reset the firing pin.

Lift the bolt, close the bolt and it works fine.

Yes, I understand how it works that way. I'm trying to understand how it can work the way that user manual says: first put the safety in the "S" position and then lift the bolt.

The manual is misleading - it fails to mention that the safety only works when the bolt is in the cocked state. I guess they overlooked this since once the bolt is uncocked you don't need to use the safety. You can't engage the safety when the bolt is already uncocked.

Because the manual was written by a 20 something liberal intern who didn’t know sh*t about it.






😀 Name me a model of firearm that has a manual safety that engages without being cocked.

Give up guys.....I lead this to the waterhole already.

They do exist - those that block the trigger only. I can engage the safety on my Merkel double rifle even if it is uncocked. I also had a Stirling 22 bolt action that was the same.

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