24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: Mule Deer] #16046286 05/01/21
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,520
W
wyoelk Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
W
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,520
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Originally Posted by wyoelk
I’m .338 there is one and only one damn bullet ever needed for any North American game. Get yourself some 210 gr Partition. Go forth and slay everything.


You missed my post where I cited a 210 Partition that didn't exit an average-sized whitetail buck. Its a good bullet, but not one I'd choose "for any North American big game."

The reason the Fail Safe was very popular for a while was the fact that it did the same things as the early Barnes X's when it hit big game--but shot more accurately. I know this due to using Fail Safes on a wide variety of big game, from deer to Cape buffalo, in a bunch or rifles for at least a dozen years before the TSX appeared. The Fail safes included the .270 140, 7mm 160, .30 180, .338 230 and .375 .300. ALL grouped into an inch or less at 100 yards--back when Barnes X accuracy was a real gamble.

But in the late 1990s Barnes solved most of the accuracy problems, and a few years later all of them with the TSX. Which cost a lot less than the Fail Safe.

But that's the only reason the Fail Safe disappeared. It wasn't a "piece of garbage." Instead it was one of the best bullets of its era--but like some other really good bullets it disappeared because technology always marches onward.



Thanks for the laugh. Technology marched on yet I can still pick up Partitions anywhere.

BP-B2

Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: wyoelk] #16046803 05/01/21
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 52,142
M
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 52,142
Yep--and in general Partitions continue to be improved as time marches on. I know this both from talking to the Nosler folks, and continuing to "field-test" the most recent models.

I also have yet to field-test a 210 .338 Partition that proved to penetrate nearly as deeply as a 250 Partition. Like "Las," I prefer other Partitions on game weighing more than caribou.

But whatever....


“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: Iafarmer] #16053496 05/04/21
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,149
WAM Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,149
Obviously Winchester discontinued them because they were more expensive to manufacture and subsequently too expensive at retail for sales to make margins acceptable to the bean counters. None of them give a whit about anything that doesn’t sell well. Evil capitalists I say!

Shoot ‘em if you got ‘em…


Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.
Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: WAM] #16055610 05/04/21
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 52,142
M
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 52,142
WAM,

Yep, the excellent Fail Safe essentially disappeared because it was far more expensive than the Barnes TSX. Hard to sell even an excellent bullet when a less expensive one will do essentially the same things.

Though I do know a few people who firmly believe the more a bullet costs, the better it works. Also used to have a brother-in-law who worked in the Bakken oilfields during the initial boom around 1980. He would actually shop until he found the same shirts (or whatever) at the highest price, so he could brag about how much he spent on 'em.


“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: Mule Deer] #16056033 05/04/21
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,728
bellydeep Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,728
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
WAM,

Yep, the excellent Fail Safe essentially disappeared because it was far more expensive than the Barnes TSX. Hard to sell even an excellent bullet when a less expensive one will do essentially the same things.

Though I do know a few people who firmly believe the more a bullet costs, the better it works. Also used to have a brother-in-law who worked in the Bakken oilfields during the initial boom around 1980. He would actually shop until he found the same shirts (or whatever) at the highest price, so he could brag about how much he spent on 'em.


John have you tried Winchester’s current copper bullet?

I just picked up a couple boxes. Only 300 WM I’ve seen in a while. Haven’t tried it yet though.


Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


IC-A

Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: Mule Deer] #16056491 05/04/21
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,520
W
wyoelk Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
W
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,520
Just jacking with ya John. I hate them for personal reasons. Have a good day.

Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: Iafarmer] #16056499 05/04/21
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,520
W
wyoelk Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
W
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,520
I’ve ever only launched five of them into an animal so I dont have much real world experience. All five were into the same cow elk at thirty yards. I wasn’t impressed. The quest for the perfect bullet continues....

Last edited by wyoelk; 05/04/21.
Re: 338 WM /230 gr Fail Safe ?? [Re: Mule Deer] #16056539 05/04/21
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,149
WAM Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,149
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
WAM,

Yep, the excellent Fail Safe essentially disappeared because it was far more expensive than the Barnes TSX. Hard to sell even an excellent bullet when a less expensive one will do essentially the same things.

Though I do know a few people who firmly believe the more a bullet costs, the better it works. Also used to have a brother-in-law who worked in the Bakken oilfields during the initial boom around 1980. He would actually shop until he found the same shirts (or whatever) at the highest price, so he could brag about how much he spent on 'em.


Hmmmm…

John, we might have had the same EX-brother in law.

Happy Trails


Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin, SYSOP 

RR1b
Who's Online Now
102 registered members (1911a1, 2ndwind, 32_20fan, 673, 18 invisible), 986 guests, and 817 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RR2/3










Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3
(Release build 20190728)
PHP: 7.3.28 Page Time: 0.050s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8151 MB (Peak: 0.9172 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2021-05-13 07:14:54 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS