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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: PintsofCraft] #16054923 05/04/21
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Well, la tee da........ I have and like BOTH. They BOTH work.


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: OGB] #16055044 05/04/21
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Originally Posted by OGB
I knew a guy years ago that told a story about being on a construction crew. Boss got new truck for the crew to use and everyone was babying it (probably out of fear). Finally the boss grabbed a framing hammer out of the back, put a dent in the fender and told them to get to work.

I was on a construction crew in 1978 in central Missouri when that exact thing happened! It was a Red 1978 Ford 4x4 and about 2 days old when he did that. We got busy after that.
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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: PintsofCraft] #16055223 05/04/21
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Pints: Sounds like this is just a fun theoretical discussion, corrrect? Or are you actually going to purchase one or the other? If so, do you have any personal experience with CRF model 70s at all?

Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: PintsofCraft] #16055266 05/04/21
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Honestly, they are BOTH a piece of schidt. Get with the times.


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: bsa1917hunter] #16055286 05/04/21
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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by PintsofCraft
Buddies & I were talking semi-serious hypotheticals and tasked ourselves to pick between these two rifles specifically and give our reasons. It was fun so I thought I’d ask you all.

A post 64 Winchester 70 CRF Featherweight vs the Tikka T3x. In your response, include the rifle, cartridge of choice & your rationale & load if you have one to share.

No factory ammo will be used. Assume the hunter already has a .223 and a 375 H&H

Purpose: Hogs, Deer & Elk
Max Range: 500yd
Average Range: 125-250yd
Glass: Burris FF II 3-9 w/ BDC
Shooting skill: Intermediate
Handload: Yes
Factory load: No

*This is a what happens when several friends drag the Leadcore & Spoons around Lake Champlain for 10 hours. Apologies in advance.

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Man, either would work just fine. Its really a toss up to me if we are talking Classic stainless vs. something like the Tikka T3x stainless lite model. For me, it would be like this:

30-06 Stainless classic with walnut stock:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Scope even meets the op's requirement^^^


Tikka T3 stainless lite 308win:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Both newer rifles to me: Bought within the last 2 months. Each one will get some field time this year... For loads, I'm thinking I'd run the 165 TSX in the 308 and a 165-168 TTSX/TSX in the 30-06 or a good ol 180 or 200gr partition. Whatever I felt like using at the moment. I need to add, if it came down to a Portuguese model 70 and a Tikka, I'd pick the Tikka..


You are such a WHORE! LMAO. Hell the 30/06 FW is the best picture you have of one single rifle . Posting your excessive number of personal pics of targets and rifles is quite well known here in these parts. LMAO Oh Carry On!


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: PintsofCraft] #16055298 05/04/21
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HEY!!! IMA TOUT owning a .308 the size as a damn .30/06 and !!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: 16bore] #16055316 05/04/21
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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: ruffedgrouse] #16055415 05/04/21
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Originally Posted by ruffedgrouse
Pints: Sounds like this is just a fun theoretical discussion, corrrect? Or are you actually going to purchase one or the other? If so, do you have any personal experience with CRF model 70s at all?


I happen to own both styles but this conversation was between several friends so we himmed & hawed about what two rifles. If it were me alone I’d have asked about the Rem 700 vs T3x but that wasn’t our conversation.

It’s interesting to discover the tension that exists between the M70 & T3x in the comments is the same that I experience as I explore buying a new rifle.

Like JWall I have both & like both but they occupy different spaces.

Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: PintsofCraft] #16055916 05/04/21
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it's a lot easier to get a crf to eff up in cold and ice then a good push feed design like a tikka.

even if there's clearance in the raceway under normal conditions for the extractor to snap over the rim of the cartridge, adding ice via hoarfrost or condensation to the extractor will stop up an crf so fast it's not even funny.

if you store a tikka with the bolt closed and on safe, it's nearly impossible to get the gun to malfunction.

pour water on it, dump it into a 30 below snowbank and it will not bobble even the slightest. you must have the bolt closed and on safe to engage the sear. not engaging the sear invites a malfunction.


sand and grit are impervious as well


whereas it's not hard at all to get crf to get stuck and jammed. see above about extractors.. montana's triggers will eff up quick as..

if a once in a lifetime tag is on the line and temps and snow are a factor.. no crf for me.

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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: BobBrown] #16056085 05/04/21
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Originally Posted by BobBrown
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by PintsofCraft
Buddies & I were talking semi-serious hypotheticals and tasked ourselves to pick between these two rifles specifically and give our reasons. It was fun so I thought I’d ask you all.

A post 64 Winchester 70 CRF Featherweight vs the Tikka T3x. In your response, include the rifle, cartridge of choice & your rationale & load if you have one to share.

No factory ammo will be used. Assume the hunter already has a .223 and a 375 H&H

Purpose: Hogs, Deer & Elk
Max Range: 500yd
Average Range: 125-250yd
Glass: Burris FF II 3-9 w/ BDC
Shooting skill: Intermediate
Handload: Yes
Factory load: No

*This is a what happens when several friends drag the Leadcore & Spoons around Lake Champlain for 10 hours. Apologies in advance.

Pints


Man, either would work just fine. Its really a toss up to me if we are talking Classic stainless vs. something like the Tikka T3x stainless lite model. For me, it would be like this:

30-06 Stainless classic with walnut stock:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Scope even meets the op's requirement^^^


Tikka T3 stainless lite 308win:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Both newer rifles to me: Bought within the last 2 months. Each one will get some field time this year... For loads, I'm thinking I'd run the 165 TSX in the 308 and a 165-168 TTSX/TSX in the 30-06 or a good ol 180 or 200gr partition. Whatever I felt like using at the moment. I need to add, if it came down to a Portuguese model 70 and a Tikka, I'd pick the Tikka..


You are such a WHORE! LMAO. Hell the 30/06 FW is the best picture you have of one single rifle . Posting your excessive number of personal pics of targets and rifles is quite well known here in these parts. LMAO Oh Carry On!


Don't like that one? How about this 30-06 fwt?
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Sounds like you want to see more target pics too?
This is how the rifle above shoots:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Sorry, it's not a 3 shot group... Post up what you got, unless you are just trolling

Here's another Tikka that I really like. 7mm08 stainless lite. Shoots great too and easy to pack around:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Or another post 64 model 70, chambered in 7mm08:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

I'm like Jwall, have both and use both. They both work very well. Like I said in my first post, it's a toss up.. To the op, choose either one and you'll be just fine.


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: jwall] #16056156 05/04/21
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Originally Posted by jwall
Well, la tee da........ I have and like BOTH. They BOTH work.


Jerry


This pos has NOT missed a lick since 2003. Killed a truck load of deer.
The T 3 (R) was bought before the '03 season ---- 2020 = 18 seasons, wait, wait 03 was 1st season so 18 is right.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

I bought the T3X 7 RM (L), in 2018 and 18 was it's first season for me

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No Deer missed

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


I bought this PF 70 FTWT 6.5X55 in Dec. 2011

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First Deer Nov 2012

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This Doe Dec. 2020

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This nice buck Nov 2020
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NO hitches, Both work. whistle

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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: PintsofCraft] #16056194 05/04/21
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Nice battery of rifles there jwall. Great pics.


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: Ndbowhunter] #16056331 05/04/21
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yep, just a tool. that works well, very well


Originally Posted by Ndbowhunter
it's a lot easier to get a crf to eff up in cold and ice then a good push feed design like a tikka.

even if there's clearance in the raceway under normal conditions for the extractor to snap over the rim of the cartridge, adding ice via hoarfrost or condensation to the extractor will stop up an crf so fast it's not even funny.

if you store a tikka with the bolt closed and on safe, it's nearly impossible to get the gun to malfunction.

pour water on it, dump it into a 30 below snowbank and it will not bobble even the slightest. you must have the bolt closed and on safe to engage the sear. not engaging the sear invites a malfunction.


sand and grit are impervious as well


whereas it's not hard at all to get crf to get stuck and jammed. see above about extractors.. montana's triggers will eff up quick as..

if a once in a lifetime tag is on the line and temps and snow are a factor.. no crf for me.


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: jwall] #16056348 05/04/21
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Thanks Guys.


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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: bluefish] #16056432 05/04/21
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Originally Posted by bluefish
how many top flight gunsmiths use m70s and how many churn out tikkas? There is your answer.

The Tikka action is used in quite a number of PRS builds. It is the alternative to a custom action.

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Given the OP’s original choices, I’d go with my T3 Lite SS in 30-06 using 180 Accubonds as my all-rounder. I’ve never owned a M70 Fwt so I can’t comment on those, but I’d be perfectly happy with my Portugal M70 EW in 7mm08 slinging 140 Accubonds as well.

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I have both and have no qualms with either. I prefer a hunting rifle with a floorplate mag where I can drop extra rounds straight in (not a detachable mag). I also like a 3-position safety like the Winchester or Ruger Hawkeye.

However, I've started using my Tikka for night pig hunting and find the detachable 5 round mags much more convenient in the dark. The continuous receiver top is also nice as for mounting a picatinny rail. I regularly mount a Pulsar Thermal scope on mine. I've never liked mounting a rail on a winchester style receiver that spans across the opening.

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Great pics JWall! You’ve got a nice lookin collection!

Im enjoying the posts and as I stated earlier, I already own both, and this was a hypothetical exercise to see what the ‘fire would have to say & share. I’m very impressed with the detail shared - almost like a masters course in rifle selection!

For some reason I feel the need mire than ever for a 7x57. I guess the 7mm bug has been creeping on me - I currently own a 7mm Ultra Mag which I haven’t really found a real use for and might unload it in favor of something more useful.

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Thnx Pint.

I didn’t say Half Pint. grin

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Re: Model 70 CRF vs Tikka T3x - don’t hold back [Re: bluefish] #16057392 05/05/21
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Originally Posted by bluefish
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My grandpa's stainless/synthetic model 700 243 could tell a lot of stories if it could talk. You don't need a wood stock to be nostalgic. Sorry.


Didn't say nostalgic. I said soul. My dad and I are piecing together parts to make my daughter a 7x57. Using a beautiful old 1909 Argie. When done, that rifle will be a product of love, imagination, and two lifetimes of hunting experience and memories. When she holds it she will know who commissioned it for her and why as well as the craftsmanship of the maker. A plastic Tikka, while a useful, well-made rifle, cannot compete with that. Nor should it try.


Okay, even defining soul as you did, A big part is in your words “lifetimes of hunting experience and memories”. That Aspect of “soul” still does not require wood and blued. And that’s my point.

Enjoy the rifle project With your dad and daughter, sounds great!

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