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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
Wouldn't it be kind of weird if the head of the Catholic Church DIDN'T think it's teaching is the correct route to salvation?


Well then Steve do you see the irony of catholics getting all worked up when some MEMBERS of other Churchs say "bashing" things about them while the world wide LEADER of the Catholic Church is saying everybody that isn't catholic is going to Hell? I sure do.


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Throwing pearls into a pig sty is poor judgement. Is it also poor judgement to stop throwing pearls into that pig sty once you've gotten into the habit and others have taken-up the habit too? Is it also poor judgement to get out of the pork business and then to get rid of the pig sty? Or does established precedent oblige you to continue doing what you shouldn't've started doing in the first place?


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It's interesting that no one noticed it was gone until Steelhead commented on it. Since the news surfaced there's been an uproar and everyone has an opinion on what Rick should have done.

If it was that important, why didn't anyone notice it had ceased to exist ???????????????????



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Originally Posted by gene williams
Anybody who bashs the Pope and Billy Graham in the same post is [ at least ] an equal opportunity basher !

I am a great admirer of Billy Graham and read the post when it was entered . I didn't respond and this is why :

The Reverend Graham didn't change one whit because some keystrokes were made in cyberland . Neither did the Roman Catholic church , for that matter .Why would I want to give Sanlen an excuse for defending his statement about Dr. Graham ?

You can bet he has reasons sufficient to him for his views and can express them pretty eloquently,or at least better than me .A man who disdains the Pope AND Billy Graham marks himself as being pretty far out in his view of christianity .

That doesn't mean I should dis-regard everything else he has to say .Some guys think Rem 700's are better than winnies but also allow that a 30 06 is the best cartridge in existance .I don't discount both views because one of them is wrong !

Maybe I got a thicker skin than some on here , 'cause I sure do like Billy and I didn't get riled up .



Gene,

You can dislike what I say, even be mad at my opinuion if you want,

BUT DON"T ACCUSE ME OF SAYING THINGS I DIDN"T.

None of those statements were mine. My guess right now (though I'd have to look to see) is they were all said by the same person.


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Anyone with any sense can read my posts to CATCF( if that is still posible)and find that I tried to bash no one but tried to find unity in diversity( the concept of a university as a place of learning)with fellow believers.


Perhaps Rick might be surprised( perhaps not) that as a Baptist,the people who offended me the most were the same fundamentalists that offended him. I really found the notion of meeting and learning from and with other believers worthwhile.

Even spent a little time reseaching Catholic doctrine and papal history as well such Catholic concepts as Eucharist,Seven Sacraments,Papal Infalibility,The Immaculate Conception,Perpetual Virginity,Purgatory,and others.

I don't find all of them in scripture but I understand the Catholic reasons for all of them a little better now. I even went so far as to ask a lay leader of the local Catholic parish if a noncatholic could recieve communion as I wanted to experience a Catholic Mass fully for myself.

If Rick were here,I'd invite him to my church for a visit for sure. As much as I understand his reasons for ending the forum,I think there are better reasons for allowing it to continue perhaps in an amended form.

After all,if we love the Lord, He will expect us to get along with each other forever,looks like for His sake we could find a way to do it now.

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I am curious if Rick can do what a Canadian site has done with certain parts of their forums, that you have to be granted access to it.
So unless you have permission it is locked.
Would this not work for those that want to be in it?


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Originally Posted by UtahLefty
there's been an uproar and everyone has an opinion on what Rick should have done.



He should have done whatever he wants done. It's his forum.

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no-one noticed because all the weirdo's where somewhere else, now they are here spreading their touchy-feely bullsh!t.


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So, is it the profession of faith that is important? I would think so. I think of the soldier on the battle field who accepts Christ in his heart and is killed before he can be physically Baptized. No way I would believe he is lost. If you look at John 3:16 I'd say that sums the requirement up. Maybe all the other stuff is required to be acknowledged as a part of Christ's Church by fellow followers, but really isn't necessary for recognition by Christ, or to receive the gift of his atonements. Debatable points all.

But back to Rick's decision. If they debate became argument, that's ok. But if it degraded to the very un-Christian tossing of insults, then it was rightfully shut down due to being un-productive. The statement that it was due to catholic bashing is what's got me. To throw up a protective barrier for one religion and not all is in my view wrong. If it became an issue of general bashing then we have a different matter. The question is, would it have been shut down for Baptist bashing? If so, then ok. But if not then it's a bias position. You know, when I was my father would use the "My House" or "My Roof" thing. That would kill any argument by shear exercize of authority, but never did it automatically make him right.


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Sanlen - he didn't say you said that.


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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
I've studied the origins and history of the Roman Catholic Church � even read Father Chiniquy's hard-to-find autobiographical Fifty Years in the Church of Rome � and its spin-offs. I find it significantly at odds with my understanding of God's great eternal plan for us.

But God, for whatever His reasons may be, lets it continue to operate. So who am I to try to discredit it or to destroy it? I see chinks in its walls, but I'm content to let God work on 'em as He sees fit. One theme of my book In Step with the Master is to let God guide His own Hand in the great spiritual storm that He is even now stirring, which no "wood, hay, or stubble" will survive.



Ken,

Those are my exact feelings as well. I've even said very similar things. Welcome to the ranks of Catholic bashers.


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Originally Posted by 2ndwind
Originally Posted by Steve_NO
Wouldn't it be kind of weird if the head of the Catholic Church DIDN'T think it's teaching is the correct route to salvation?


Well then Steve do you see the irony of catholics getting all worked up when some MEMBERS of other Churchs say "bashing" things about them while the world wide LEADER of the Catholic Church is saying everybody that isn't catholic is going to Hell? I sure do.


That might bother me if I thought I was headed there. Thing is, I don't. But others might.

Another thing is there will be lots in hell who never thought they would be. And bad as that is, they will be really ticked off not to be able to find a lot of those they were convinced had a ticket already. wink


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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oldie often worth resurrecting:

"If you'll stop telling lies about me, I'll stop telling the truth about you."

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Originally Posted by teal
Sanlen - he didn't say you said that.


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Why would I want to give Sanlen an excuse for defending his statement about Dr. Graham ?


Looks like he did to me.


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Here is an example of what they require for the equipment exchange part of the forum.
From the site I mentioned.

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I stand corrected - I had not seen or did not remember that other part.


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If it was that important, why didn't anyone notice it had ceased to exist ???????????????????
How did you know they didn't notice and just didn't hang a post about it? I noticed before Steely hung his but I'm kinda shy. smile


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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Originally Posted by Sanlen
Originally Posted by Ken Howell
I've studied the origins and history of the Roman Catholic Church � even read Father Chiniquy's hard-to-find autobiographical Fifty Years in the Church of Rome � and its spin-offs. I find it significantly at odds with my understanding of God's great eternal plan for us.

But God, for whatever His reasons may be, lets it continue to operate. So who am I to try to discredit it or to destroy it? I see chinks in its walls, but I'm content to let God work on 'em as He sees fit. One theme of my book In Step with the Master is to let God guide His own Hand in the great spiritual storm that He is even now stirring, which no "wood, hay, or stubble" will survive.



Ken,

Those are my exact feelings as well. I've even said very similar things. Welcome to the ranks of Catholic bashers.


Sanlen - would you say that what I posted by that particular poster - the comments that led Rick to drawing the line in teh sand are Catholic bashing or do you consider them "Spreading the Truth!"?


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I've never seen this many fleas arguing over who owns the dog. smile

Maybe God just got tired of being everyone's excuse to argue with each other and moved upon Rick to close shop. You know this constant harping and moaning has GOT to get old.

Do Jews go to heaven?

Do Catholics go to hell?

Is a preacher a real preacher if he can't trace his lineage back to some mythical 1st century apostle?

Is God a buddhist?

This place doesn't need a Christ at the Campfire forum, it needs a philosophy professor and a therapist. I don't know about you guys but I have never been around a campfire where this stuff was talked about. Although I will admit that God does play favorites at the poker table, I see no evidence aside from that to prove he likes any of you better than the others.

Lighten up! My goodness. Some of you guys act like you enjoy being miserable. Autumn is just around the corner.

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