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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #15836382 02/25/21
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Originally Posted by Judman
Pards bull, killed 1340 yards, 7 mag 180 Berger. How many flbs of energy was remaining there?.



Math,

I just can't I really just cant believe some of the posts in this thread..

That being said, besides the math issue that was a nice shot, and a sweet Bull,,, very nice..


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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Jordan Smith] #15836425 02/25/21
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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

This is painful.

Nobody in this thread has claimed that bullets with 1500 ft-lbs of kinetic energy at impact don't work. .



Smartest thing you have said yet, should have stopped there , and the following double talk was painful as you tried to unwind it

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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #15836590 02/25/21
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Pretty funny, dude selling the rifle was from Bremerton, met him in Olympia, checked the rifle out for mark. Long story short bought the rifle scope, ammo whole works. Pard wife and his buddy drew 3 Dayton tags here in Washington. He shot quite a bit prior to season out to 800 yards. Season rolled around, he killed this bull, his wife killed a decent 6, and his pard killed a good 6. Great hunt, lotta good memories, thankful to have been along to help spot and pack. đź‘Ť


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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: SLM] #15837048 02/25/21
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Originally Posted by SLM
Guessing this will be lost as well.

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Or the hunters ability to get to the actual point of actually pulling a trigger and worrying about the impact "energy"....


If a hunter hasn't figured all that out before he is at that point, he has way more issues than Energy




Put this another way. If I want a hunt to be successful, my load's impact energy calculations are about the 1,326th item I'm worrying about...




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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #15845237 02/27/21
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5.6x52mm Rimmed 22 Savage High-Power. Isn’t that the ultimate minimum?

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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16097705 05/19/21
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I think that anything less than a 7mm Rem Mag is a bad idea if you are after a bull elk. I know that you can kill them with a 243, but that's not what I consider the minimum caliber. I would say that you should use whatever will ethically and humanely dispatch your quarry that you are able to shoot well. Shot placement is key and no magnum caliber is going to solve that issue.


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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16098517 05/19/21
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More Elk have been killed with the 30-06 than all the 7mms in the world.

It's just a big deer and not bulletproof.

Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16098586 05/19/21
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I spine shot a cow elk with my muzzle loader. Was reading fictional and non-fictional tales of the old time mnt men at that time. Rather than use a second load from the caplock. I grabbed the cow under her chin to slit her throat. It was a very bad idea with an unsuccessfull ending. I reverted back to the Hawken and discovered I was a better reader than a mnt man.

Whatever the minimum is. Its better than a knife.
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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16098918 05/20/21
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I'm reading "The Wilderness Hunter" by Theodore Roosevelt at the moment, in which he describes several elk hunts in the Rocky Mountains. He mostly describes shots from 30 to 150yds and also states that he would usually shoot until the elk was down. On an elk hunt he would usually expend 2.5 cartridges per elk killed. In all of these hunts he used a Winchester 1876 centennnial in caliber .45-75, which produces around 1600 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. After reading the book, I'd personally want a bit more energy, especially at longer ranges.


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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16099207 05/20/21
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I have shot half a dozen cows with a 243 using 100g partitions, they flopped. Shots were 100 yds and less.

The two most popular elk rifles in Az when I was living there was a 30/06 and 270 win.

I shot two big bulls with my 7 Mag using the old 140g NOsler ballistic tips loaded to 3200. Shots were 150 yards, mid body hits, and they were dead when they hit the ground. Two guys I hunted with used BARs with the same bullet and load. Their comment was the ammo killed like lightening.

I think that poor hits on elk make for a lot of good stories, and creating the fear that a larger caliber is much better. A poor hit is a poor hit no matter what the caliber.

For the average guy, a 300 Winchester or a 300 Weatherby mag loaded with 180-200g partitions would be a marriage made in Heaven, and for a 30/06, the 190g Hornady btsp will the job done!

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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16099518 05/20/21
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Anyone else get four or five pages deep, become worn out by the energy debate then realize that szihn told you all you need to know on page one?

Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16100047 05/20/21
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I've got a brother that because of his line of work can afford to do anything he wants wrt big game hunting and equipment.

Every season, just before leaving on a big ticket hunt he goes to the shooting range bench and launches 5 or six rounds at 100 yards. GTG.

Every season, on returning he tells me he had to shoot the big ass elk 5 times to put 'em down for good. He figures it's bad ammo and he wants me to tune a load for him. I tell him he needs to field practice more. A lot more.

So, with tuned handloads in hand off he goes on another hunt. And again, he has to empty the magazine into the bull elk to finish him off. Damn! he says, it must be the scope. Gotta get a better scope. Nope. he need to field practice more. A lot more.

So, last season, with handloads, a shiny new scope on his rifle, and a handful of rounds fired from the bench the weekend before we left for elk country he misses 4 times at a bedded elk at 259 yards and finally connects with rounds # 5 & 6. Personally, that has got to be one dumbass elk.

WTH! he says. You shot yours with one shot from a freakin' 6.5 CM and my elk won't die without emptying a magazine of .30-06 into them. The problem must be with the cartridge, and so his buddy who owns the sporting goods store is telling him he needs a .300 WM.

No. I tell him he needs to field practice more. A lot more. Just for S&G I choose a different cartridge to hunt with every season. This season? Probably the 9.3x62mm will get the call. But I field practice a lot. Like every week a lot.

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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: keith] #16100203 05/20/21
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Originally Posted by keith
I have shot half a dozen cows with a 243 using 100g partitions, they flopped. Shots were 100 yds and less.

The two most popular elk rifles in Az when I was living there was a 30/06 and 270 win.

I shot two big bulls with my 7 Mag using the old 140g NOsler ballistic tips loaded to 3200. Shots were 150 yards, mid body hits, and they were dead when they hit the ground. Two guys I hunted with used BARs with the same bullet and load. Their comment was the ammo killed like lightening.

I think that poor hits on elk make for a lot of good stories, and creating the fear that a larger caliber is much better. A poor hit is a poor hit no matter what the caliber.

For the average guy, a 300 Winchester or a 300 Weatherby mag loaded with 180-200g partitions would be a marriage made in Heaven, and for a 30/06, the 190g Hornady btsp will the job done!


Except that the average guy likely won't shoot either one very well.


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Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16100277 05/20/21
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Next to big bear cartridges, the elk cartridge debate is my favorite. I have never hunted the majestic elk, but have put holes in many Alaskan moose that were not much bigger then a big elk. All of it was done with a 30-06 or my .338 Winny and I'm not sure the moose noticed the difference. Most were taken with a Nosler Partition or Barnes X bullet of some flavor.

Lets look at what two of North Americas most famous hunters and writers used. I know Jack used a .270 for lots of his hunts, but he also used a 30-06 and we all know Elmer preferred a .338 or bigger for everything from our prairie goats to elk and big bears. So if we choose something on either end or in between its gotta be a good choice. We have no end to gook elk bullets, so if we do our part and put them in the right spot............

Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: mathman] #16101601 05/20/21
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Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by keith
I have shot half a dozen cows with a 243 using 100g partitions, they flopped. Shots were 100 yds and less.

The two most popular elk rifles in Az when I was living there was a 30/06 and 270 win.

I shot two big bulls with my 7 Mag using the old 140g NOsler ballistic tips loaded to 3200. Shots were 150 yards, mid body hits, and they were dead when they hit the ground. Two guys I hunted with used BARs with the same bullet and load. Their comment was the ammo killed like lightening.

I think that poor hits on elk make for a lot of good stories, and creating the fear that a larger caliber is much better. A poor hit is a poor hit no matter what the caliber.

For the average guy, a 300 Winchester or a 300 Weatherby mag loaded with 180-200g partitions would be a marriage made in Heaven, and for a 30/06, the 190g Hornady btsp will the job done!


Except that the average guy likely won't shoot either one very well.

That’s what I was thinking.

Re: Minimum caliber to hunt elk??... [Re: Judman] #16101692 05/20/21
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Im an 06 whore. But also wouldn’t hesitate with the 270 or 6.5 CM.
Shot placement and proper bullet.
This year I got my 10 year old youth mentor tag and I’ll bring my cz 527 in 76239 and hope keep the shots around 100 yards

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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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