The question remains: why would a God of Love condemn people for something that is forced upon them? Accept the mark or you and your family starve is hardly a fair option. Who would not want to care for their own? Who would let their own children starve?
Keep reading the Bible. The answer is there. They won't starve. Jesus promised that God will care for his own. Somehow, they'll be taken care of. We're not told how.
Untold millions of Christians will suffer during the Great Tribulation. Part of the suffering will be hunger, thirst, and heat:
Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, Rev 7:10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” Rev 7:11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, Rev 7:12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.” Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” Rev 7:14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev 7:15 “Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat. Rev 7:17 For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
The supposed “Rapture” of all Christians before the Great Tribulation is simply not true
You already suffer, it's inside your head with no escape...
Now you can call me elementary school playground names again to feel better about yourself and your inadequacies
...Bible scholars and Pastors have never been able to reach a consensus on pre, mid, or post trib rapture.
True. And claiming something to be the truth doesn’t make it the truth. It’s simply another theological disagreement among believers. Even Jesus’ Apostles and earliest followers had theological disagreements among themselves.
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Christians will not experience the tribulation.
Aren’t the 144,000 gonna be present during the Tribulation, and aren’t they gonna be eloquent preachers of the Gospel, and aren’t they gonna make a huge impact for Jesus during the Tribulation...?
No, the question is what are you waiting for? The God of love has extended an open hand to you your entire life. It sounds to some of us that you responded with a clenched fist. No need for that. Just ask Him something like, please help me to believe. Then pick up the KJV Bible and start reading the gospel of John.
Let's say it comes to the point where you receive the Mark or become homeless and starve.....what is your choice? Not necessarily you personally, but young parents, families with children? This is a serious question.
There are special promises that God offers to believers. This doesn't prevent suffering for we are also appointed to suffer for His sake and all who live Godly will suffer persecution.
When we transfer our trust from our own "good works", which are "as filthy rags" in the sight of God when offered for salvation, then place it in the only Savior, we are adopted into the family. Then we have special privileges that unbelievers do not have, regardless of whether or not they take the mark when the devil's people enforce it.
Matthew 6 at the end of the chapter, John quotes Jesus' promise. Start with verse 25 and read to the end of the chapter. The next chapter, 7, he describes the detailed attribute of love the Father has for His children after the first few sentences. I just experienced some of that today. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-6/
...Bible scholars and Pastors have never been able to reach a consensus on pre, mid, or post trib rapture.
True. And claiming something to be the truth doesn’t make it the truth. It’s simply another theological disagreement among believers. Even Jesus’ Apostles and earliest followers had theological disagreements among themselves.
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Christians will not experience the tribulation.
Aren’t the 144,000 gonna be present during the Tribulation, and aren’t they gonna be eloquent preachers of the Gospel, and aren’t they gonna make a huge impact for Jesus during the Tribulation...?
The significance here is that the first group of people (the 144,000) is being set apart from the remainder of the remnant of Israel and the Gentile world for that matter to receive the seal of God which will protect them from the judgments to come. Further, these 144,000 discussed again in Rev 14 are told to be “being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb”. That being the first fruits of the redeemed Israel (Romans 11:25-27) of which the remainder will accept Christ upon His return (Zec 12:10)
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
When we transfer our trust from our own "good works", which are "as filthy rags" in the sight of God when offered for salvation, then place it in the only Savior, we are adopted into the family.
Yes. It’s as if God is inviting you to participate in an adoption process, but you’re not the one doing the adoption, you’re the one being adopted. You get to choose whether or not you want to be adopted. And if you say “yes”, God is more than happy to adopt you into His family. Because of what Jesus has done on the front end to make that possible.
The significance here is that the first group of people (the 144,000) is being set apart from the remainder of the remnant of Israel and the Gentile world for that matter to receive the seal of God which will protect them from the judgments to come. Further, these 144,000 discussed again in Rev 14 are told to be “being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb”. That being the first fruits of the redeemed Israel (Romans 11:25-27) of which the remainder will accept Christ upon His return (Zec 12:10)
Appreciate your reply. If the 144,000 are Jewish Christian Evangelists that will be here on earth during the Tribulation, and their preaching causes many others here on earth to truly believe in the sacrifice, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus during the tribulation...then it appears that Christians will...at least some anyways...definitely “experience the tribulation.”
There is no mention of the church in the prophetic description of the great tribulation period. The church is mentioned 16 times in Revelation chapters 1-3. But, it is not mentioned once in chapters 4-22 from the great tribulation through the battle of Armageddon and the 1000-year reign of Christ on Earth
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It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
The Pharisees and Sadducees thought they understood the prophecies of the first coming. When the Messiah came they didn't even recognize him. He didn't fit their preconceived notions derived from their understanding of prophecy. I fully expect his second coming to go much the same way
And what of all the people that are going to come to Jesus during the Tribulation...so many that there won't be any way to number them...? Are they not part of the body of Christ...?
The Pharisees and Sadducees thought they understood the prophecies of the first coming. When the Messiah came they didn't even recognize him. He didn't fit their preconceived notions derived from their understanding of prophecy. I fully expect his second coming to go much the same way
Some people recognized Him for who He was, but the religious ‘experts’...those who’d studied their religion for many years, those who were well versed in the ‘orthodoxy’...didn’t even recognize their own Messiah.
And what of all the people that are going to come to Jesus during the Tribulation...so many that there won't be any way to number them...? Are they not part of the body of Christ...?
There will be many who come to know Christ during the tribulation for sure, but that's a far cry from believing that those who were already Christians prior to, will have to endure God's wrath. They won't.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
The Pharisees and Sadducees thought they understood the prophecies of the first coming. When the Messiah came they didn't even recognize him. He didn't fit their preconceived notions derived from their understanding of prophecy. I fully expect his second coming to go much the same way
They were wrong about lots of things pertaining to Jesus. The Bible is full of indicators, descriptions, etc that many will believe and recognize, and many will choose not too.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Luke 21:22-23 “For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
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It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
I'm still not saying that this injection is the Mark. However, check this /\/\/\ out. What I just "accidentally " clicked onto is this video, as I log off this exact topic. ^^^ It reminds me of the Amazon commercial below promoting the exact tech that was in this old parody. March 24, 1997....24 YEARS AGO! Watch the top link first, then this newer one that was unknown to those producing the parody, right below.
Again for those watching, please go to the second link below and get that gift of life today. One extra benefit is that you won't be taking the Mark, whatever form it eventually is revealed as.
“And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! For the great day of His WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?’” Revelation 6:15-17
