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so now we have Alaska Nazi Corporations ... ooops, I meant " Native " ...
Handing out smallpox blankets that you can't refuse ? If you do refuse, you don't have a job .....

and the stupid will comply, adding fuel to the "mandatory TOXXINE injections for all " insanity

What did you think would happen ? when these same corporations & people were given free reign to racially profile and deny employment to job seekers as they see fit, simply because you are of not their kind !

Now imagine if the roles were reversed ......

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https://alaskawatchman.com/2021/05/...-fire-employees-who-decline-covid-shots/

Texans are suing. Looks like from the article those not wishing to get the vaccine have legal standing to sue.

coming soon ......
with support from the brainwashed, mindless cattle
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Yeah this is headed to the Supreme Court. Remember that fella with HIV they made a movie about it. Was fired for having HIV/AIDS went all the way to the Supreme Court. The guy won biggly this is no different. These corporations are going to lose their asses and whitey will be running them or be shareholders..

Watch the case in Texas (Houston?)
Methodist hospital requiring employees to get the vax or consider themselves “voluntarily separated “ from employment.

Employees are sueing.

I’ve been in healthcare since the late 80’s and requiring vaccines as a condition of employment has been around for a long time.
That’s nothing new.
You guys do realize that yes you can refuse
However the company also has the right to require it
What you don’t have is the right to work for the company
Either meet their requirements or move on
It’s that simple

Except this is not a vaccine but an experimental mRNA cocktail of toxins and ultra secret ingredients, it's killing & maiming large numbers of people upon injection and long term effects are still unknown since it was never tested

Politicians, corporations and people who demand forced/co-erced injections are pure evil, filthy scum, citizens of this nation need to raze their buildings to the ground and drag all these tyrants out into the street and hang them in public ..... all of them !

how is "forced hangings" any different than "forced vaxxing" ?
They don't want to be forcefully hung by the neck until dead ?

I don't want to be forcefully injected with toxic cocktails until I'm dead !

Screw you and your vaccines !
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What a crock of horseshit.......Qanon is obviously alive and well,

obviously this wonder vaccine is fool proof.

how can you argue science mate?

what ever happened to think for yourself and question authority?

I'd be unemployed. Over glorified flu shot that hasn't had long term testing where some folks are getting pretty wealthy off of.


Give it a year or 2 and I might get it. I'm not against shots, I want testing.

Ok Karen you are insane and make absolutely no sense mixed with a bunch of made up bullshit

You are the one acting like a Karen or as the male version is called Ken. You can’t make people get an experimental vaccine. Maybe in a year or two I will get one. The Army can’t even force Soldiers to get it, I work for the state and they can’t make me get it.

You are correct
They can’t make you get it
However they can make it a condition of employment

The army however is another story

Got the poison needle didn't ya ? sucker, have fun with all the sickness & disease that will haunt you till you die

you are most likely one of those sheep that wear a mask when driving alone and when showering, and wear a condom when molesting yourself

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I’ve had covid and so has my entire family
I’ve also chosen to get the vaccine for the main reason that I’m no longer considered to be a contact and if exposed no longer asked to quarantine
I do wear a mask if I go into a business that requires it otherwise I don’t
Ive got news for you sickness and disease will haunt ALL of us until we die.
Nobody is gonna make it out alive.
I don’t think the corona virus vaccine is what’s gonna do me in though

But why would anyone suggest the vaccine is a good idea, post-organic-protection? It makes zero sense to take an unknown "vaccine" when you are already as immune as you can be. I am not anti-vaccine, but completely dropping everyone with natural protection from the discussion worries me.

I see a huge difference between a vaccine and untested meds.

I also had nearly asymptomatic Covid with only a loss of taste, smell, and a positive test.

The vaccines are not “untested” as they all passed clinical trials.
The long term effects are not known as the only way to know is wait long term
I am no more afraid of covid vaccinations than any other vaccinations such a hepatitis tetanus mmr etc
The main befit for me is that once vaccinated I am no longer considering a contact
That means I no longer have to quarantine once exposed
My kids have also been vaccinated so they are no longer considered a contact if exposed
So now they go to school as normal and cannot be sent home if they are “exposed”

For some, fear is good

For us it was a conscious choice to allow us more freedom with less restrictions
In my line of work I’ve always been required to have certain vaccinations in order to remain employed so I guess I’m use to it

I won't down play someone's choice of wearing a mask, or getting the shot. Your choice.

The more the govt pushes this shot, the more I'm a skeptic.

For a bug that has such a high survivability rate, I'm not buying it right now.

They say you need a booster but they don't even know when your gonna need it.

It's not a vaccine

I have to wonder about the science education of the anti vaccine folks. Please explain how it is not a vaccine and where you get your vast sum of medical knowledge. As an aside in the not to distant future, I think you won’t be getting on a plane without a vaccine card......And I don’t think Clorox IV’s and enemas are the answer.

Jdollar, how many booster shots have you had for smallpox, polio, etc? Those are vaccines.

Even the experts are saying these covid shots may not protect you for upcoming variations. It's a glorified flu shot. I'm not saying it may not help, I just want more testing.

You want the shot, knock yourself out, just like your choice I choose to wait.

This country is in this totalitarian mess because of beta male simpletons like you who bent over, spread their cheeks and took it all... when you should have been defiant and demanded and fought for your freedom, but you got on your knees and got busy.... they really got to you with the fear mongering and sky is falling bullshyte didn't they ? Bet you worship your new angry diety "Climate Change" with passion & reverence just like you prostrated yourself to your scary god Covid-19

People like you is why this country is falling apart, you are directly responsible for every inch of freedom lost since this scamdemic operation began

Pity the fool

The only way it is a vaccine is because they changed the definition of vaccine. It is the first of its kind. And importantly, it is not really designed to immunize. It is designed to reduce the severity of infections. I will gladly compare resumes with you if you like.

they passed very limited tests compared to true vaccines. Post positive test and follow-up negative test you had organic protection and should not have been considered for the shot. If you got last years flu they would never suggest you get last years flu shot.

I’m not here recommending or not recommending the vaccine
To each his own
I’m simply calling out your bullshit and dribbling
The reason American is headed in the direction it seems to be headed is because of morons like you screaming the sky is falling and nobody calls you out on it
So I’ll put it plainly so even you can understand
You calling a private health care company nazis because they require immunizations to work for them is stupid
You are full of [bleep] !

You do realize that there are more than one kind of vaccine available
If you don’t like the spike protein ones you have the Johnson and Johnson one that’s old school

Smallpox has been eradicated and I got a polio booster 6 years ago before a hunt in Cameroon, per CDC reccomendation. I also get tetanus booster every 10 years. Just because a booster is required doesn’t mean a drug isn’t a vaccine. And it sure as [bleep] isn’t full of toxic poisons. Yes, it’s essentially a flu shot because COVID is essentially the flu. And flu viruses mutate, requiring boosters. It’s not a coincidence that new cases of COVID have dropped dramatically in line with the rapid rate of vaccination. The families of 600,000 dead Americans probably wish a vaccine had been available sooner. BTW, a vaccine is anything injected into the body to stimulate the immune system mount an immune response when the body is exposed to a foreign protein or pathogen. I learned that in med school 50 years ago and it’s still true.......

Let me think a second. Reduces the chance of infection by 95%, reduces the likelihood of hospitalization by 100%. Sounds like a vaccine to me. And just because it’s the first of its kind, doesnt make that any less true. Something or someone always has to be first.....

Oh boy we have a mask wearing believer.. let me guess you voted for Biden.. What next you have to tell an employer you are HIV positive??

You are an idiot..

Lol oh man hello pot.. You ph uckers ran around for a year yelling we all were going to die. You dumb sob fell for the lie, you are too damn dumb to realize it. Also majority of those folks that died had other medical issues.. you are an idiot

Do tell.
Glad you are are only one able to figure stuff out .
Maybe just maybe the rest of us can survive without your knowledge
Good luck to ya

Have you ever watched the TV ads of legal firms who are continually bringing class action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies on behalf of the victims of drugs that were once considered safe but were then found to cause all kinds of physical problems? And those were drugs that went through years of rigorous trials before being approved by the FDA. some times it takes a while for the problems to manifest themselves in people. Yet there are already tons of problems with these "vaccines", and it is still early on in the game.

I will not be getting the "jab". But it does seem that those who don't get one of these concoctions will be restricted, marginalized, berated, and coerced by those who have done it, and by the powers that be. We got a taste of that with the maskers, but this will be worse. I really don't mind when people take all these measures, that is their problem, but I do really mind when they attempt to force others to follow them, or else. This is about fear and control. Those in power tasted just how much control they had over the populace during the pandemic, how the populace readily and willingly went along with the lockdowns and other measures, and now those leaders don't really want to lose that power.

Anyway, how will we know how successful the vaccines are? Will the survival rate for Covid 19 go from 99.7 to 99.8? According to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System — VAERS — which is managed by the CDC and the FDA, about 4000 people have died as a result of a COVID 19 vaccine. Many more have experienced extreme side affects.

I think someday down the line there will be some really bad mojo for those who have been vaxed. There will be lots of lawsuits as well... that is, if the government doesn't try to cover it up. You know, that government that experimented with LSD on soldiers, allowed African Americans to die of syphilis, exposed Alaska Native women to doses of radioactive material and sterilized countless other Native American women... yeah, that government.

BTW, if a person doesn't go along with the program, or questions how things are being done, it isn't long before those who are cooperating with the authorities start throwing out the Qanon diatribe. I had to look it up to see what that was. All this time I thought it was a good idea to be skeptical and question authority.

These are the "experts" you follow blindly

does it hurt to be human cattle ? or is it just a fairy tale existence of pure ignorant bliss ?

with all the shady shyte that happened and is happening now, don't you question anything ? It's appalling how stupid people can be, to trade away their rights & freedoms for a tiny bit of security... Security that imprisons you permanently, once that needle discharges that venom into your bloodstream, there is no turning back, you're marked for life, like cattle awaiting slaughter
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I spent my professional life in healthcare and in general......you’re wrong. A company cannot make a policy that violates the law.

A company does not enjoy “rights”, at least not by the accurate definition of “rights”. The individual has “rights” and those rights generally trump company policy. While a company can institute policies those policies can’t ignore the law. Just because a company gets away with violations on a daily basis that doesn’t mean that their policies are legal. Those policies are only “good” until they’ve been adjudicated in court. Getting away with something doesn’t mean it’s lawful. 😉

And where do you get those numbers? It is laughable to think someone claiming to have gone to med school is that gullible. There certainly are new ways of treating people, but just because it is injected or new does not determine if it is a vaccine.

I call bullshit. Your language and statements indicate you are blowing smoke. 50 years ago there was nothing like the covid "vaccine" and the definitions at the time would not include the current "vaccine." The definitions in place a year ago would not allow it either. Investigate the word attenuated. Better yet, give a single example of a vaccine from 40+ years ago that fit the newest definitions. Or 10 years ago.

Proper math shows the numbers of asymptomatic covid carriers probably had far more to do with the decline in new cases.

The families of 600,000 dead Americans are probably wondering how they came up with that cause of death. 2018, 2019, and 2020 have remarkably similar numbers of dead people according to the CDC. So Covid cured a bunch of diseases.

not to worry about ambulance chasers with this one... they are being held harmless for any bad outcomes...

Enough said.

The princess of Karen's!

Not against vaccines, researched them before allow our kids to get them.
If this was an established vac, I'd be in.

It ain't. It's new medicine. Look into past early stage testing on this
type of.....medicine. It's been awful rocky, hasn't produced a whole
lot of success. Until now.
It's making billion$. That's success!

For some, the risk of covid makes the shot a reasonable decision.

For women, men of small stature, and perpetual scaredy cats,
I guess the vac might ease their fragile little heads.

You gals are a hoot !

If you don’t think a company can and does have conditions of employment then you are mistaken
This can include vaccines to perform certain job duties
If your professional life in healthcare why don’t you explain how it violates the “law” or someone’s “rights” to require them to have a vaccine before providing direct patient care , or say a CDL to drive a truck
Many companies have certain requirements to fulfill certain job duties
If a individual chooses not to meet those job requirements that is there choice or right or whatever you choose to call it and they can move along

As I’ve already said I’m not here to push a vax or condemn it
I’m here to call bullshit on the original poster who claims there are dead people everywhere from getting the vaccine and a private company is the same as nazis for requiring a vaccine
Here in AK there are approx 300k that have been vaccinated so far
How many have died from taking the vax?

Per a thread in the Campfire, according to the CDC, overall mortality rate rose approximately 15% year over year 2019 to 2020. From about .7% to .8%. About 300,000 additional deaths. So if 600,000 died from Covid, then Covid itself must have stopped approximately 300,000 from dying of something else.

Having previously served I received so many vaccines and injections my arm felt like a pin cushion so real vaccines are required if you're in the military. Please explain to us that if this is considered a real vaccine, why the military isn't required to get it?

Do people really believe that tbe FDA and pharma take so long to get a drug to market because of extensive testing and utmost care as to not adversely impact a population through harmful side effects or death? That is crazy thought/talk. The real reason is the cumbersome beaurocracy and vast amounts of money it takes to get a drug to market. I thought the foil hat folks would realize this.....

Good points, but you are forgetting about the lawyers and the billions Pharma will have to pay out in class action suits when it is found that their "wonder drug" has harmful side effects or kills people. That is another major reason why they are generally slow to roll out new meds. We live in the most litigious society in the world, and it slows down everything, from small businesses to airplane manufacturers to Big Pharma for fear of being sued and losing profit or going bankrupt.

Definitely

Raghorn
You say you "went to med school". Did you complete it and are a currently practicing physician?

Mike, I believe Raghorn is an RN, and it was Jdollar who said he went to med school

Oops!

Need a damn scorecard.

Back to the topic:

Watch the Methodist hospital lawsuit in TX.

I have no clue as to what the military thinks related to covid and or the vaccines related to it ?


I’d wager that if they do decide to give it to active duty they won’t ask permission

No dog in this fight. I don't care. Just want to point out some things.

I'm not a lawyer so I don't know the intricacies of "at will employment." But requiring a vaccine for health care providers passes the whiff test and the test of time/precedents- patient safety is the key factor. Yes, one can decline for religious purposes, but that's really about it.

Vaccines don't work via isolation - they are not a big condom which prevents you from getting a disease. Vaccines are "sensitizers" which through exposure of an offending agent will build up your body's immune system to be able to combat the disease. It is not a drug or antibiotic, it is your immune system which does the work, not the vaccine. So if the vaccine works through mRNA or a denatured protein (as in the past) it is still a vaccine or sensitizer irrespective of the agent used.

Similarly, it is incorrect to say "the vaccine did not work" if you get the disease after the vaccine. Rather, for whatever reason, your body's immune system was overwhelmed despite being sensitized. So, even if you have been exposed naturally, if one is so inclined, then receiving the vaccine would act like a "booster."

The reason why the mRNA vaccines have been brought to market is simple- advancements in molecular biology, plain and simple. 30 years ago transplants were in their infancy, now they're common all due to advancements in molecular biology. Hell, cops only went on fingerprints and blood types- just watch the old B&W Perry Mason's vs today's CSIs. Now it's all about DNA.

While the majority of people who get COVID are fine, if you have to go to the hospital and you need to get on a ventilator, your [bleep]. After several weeks on a ventilator you will probably drop one or both lungs requiring chest tubes and you'll probably die a few weeks later.

Me- I never believed in the flu shot and didn't get them until I became a diabetic (nearly dying from DKA kinda opened my eyes). Now I get one every year. In addition to diabetes, heart disease, sleep apnea and my age check all the boxes for significant COVID complications. I got the vaccine as did my youngest (overweight) son. My wife did not.

YMMV, but after seeing what I've seen, I don't want to get it. If wearing a mask (which I do despite the requirement being lifted) and getting a vaccine will diminish my chances, cool.

PS Again, if you do get it and need to be hospitalized, do yourself a favor and say NO intubation as a medical directive. You'll die quicker without being paralyzed for weeks in the ICU with chest tubes, etc.

Members of the military aren't required to get the vaccine but if they want it they can get it, same with DOD civilians.

I'm sure they will change it. I was forced to get the anthrax series back in the mid 90's or get discharged. Look who is in charge.

Finally someone who has some good old common sense!

That’s kinda what I expect too but who knows with the leaders we have now !

I just learned that you are a man of small stature!

Sorry to hear you lost both legs. This has been an interesting thread though.

What cwh2 said...

Two of my kids were deathly sick before the C19 mess, tested neg for strep and pneumonia.
They proly had C19

Not long ago my ol lady got the vaccine, she worked high risk area.

I was in contact for hours w a C19 person, and never got it.
With my allergies and other, it's possible I had a light case way back and never knew it (when my kids got sick).

Have pretty much always practiced social distancing and avoid crowds, and am a bit of a germ freak.

Must say, restaurants and other at 50% was kinda nice.

Narrows shoulders, too.