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I’m very interested in building a reproduction of one of Kit Carson’s known rifles. I’ve found a few kits that looked good, but does anyone know where a high quality place would be? His life was extremely interesting, he has a couple of know rifles, and his preferred type of hunting rifle seems to be what I’d like in a hunting rifle as well.

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My Hawken is patterned after Carson's last Hawken rifle. I like it very much!

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Originally Posted by prairie dog shooter
My Hawken is patterned after Carson's last Hawken rifle. I like it very much!

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Nice looking rifle. I’m not an aficionado but to my untrained eye it seems to have less drop in the stock than most rifles of that era?

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I agree PDS, I like that a lot! Where’d you come by the parts?

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Mine also was “patterned” after that rifle. It is .50 caliber and not as pretty as prairie dog shooter’s, but shoots very well. I built from a kit in the 70’s.
It looks blued but it’s not, it’s a very deep brown.

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If you Google "Don Stith Hawken" you'll find one source. "The Hawken Shop" and "Track of the Wolf" are other sources.

I got a Hawken kit from Don early last year. Don was in poor health at the time, so there was some delay in getting all the parts together (along with the Wuhan supply chain disruptions). The Stith kit is an exact pattern of the (a) original Carson Hawken in New Mexico and has excellent components.

I'm not sure if you've ever built a muzzle loader before, but a Hawken may not be the best choice for a first effort; it's actually a somewhat complicated design.

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Another interesting Carson Hawken. Interesting story behind the association between Carson and Beale during the Mexican war. They remained friends until Carson’s death.

https://americansocietyofarmscollec...Carson-Beale-Hawken-Its-Identificati.pdf


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I’ve not built a Hawken in total, but been around them my whole life and worked on them in a lot of different fashions. My father, however, had built several which he used to shoot competitions and hunt with. I’d like to get into the build while he’s still able so my son has something that his dad and grandfather worked on together.

I’ve looked at the Don Stith kit, and that’s what I was leaning towards. I’ll check the link out, KW. Thanks for that.

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On the subject of Hawkens,,,,,,

Here’my fullstock J&S style Hawken by John Bergmann of Tenn. .54 calibre. Not necessarily a copy of any particular rifle.

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That thing is niiiiiccceee!

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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
On the subject of Hawkens,,,,,,

Here’my fullstock J&S style Hawken by John Bergmann of Tenn. .54 calibre. Not necessarily a copy of any particular rifle.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

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I would love to have some of your BP guns you have posted. Very cool gun!


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
On the subject of Hawkens,,,,,,

Here’my fullstock J&S style Hawken by John Bergmann of Tenn. .54 calibre. Not necessarily a copy of any particular rifle.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

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KW, That is a beautiful gun. Black walnut for the stock? Really nice.

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Thanks OK huntr.
Texczech, if we can ever get together again in Texas, we’ll shoot em!

30338, yes nice piece of blk walnut! Tapered barrel too! A pleasure to carry!


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That would be super cool! 🙂 👍


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My builder had all but the barrel. Not sure of his source. The lock and triggers are Davis, the barrell is a Rice. I-66 twist, 54 cal. one inch at the breach tapered to 7/8 at the muzzle.


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I really appreciate those tapered barrels. As much as a swamped barrel!!


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I really appreciate those tapered barrels. As much as a swamped barrel!!


Nice looking Hawken !

What are the barrel specs ( Length and Diameter)?

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No mater what you build, look at SS336s butt plate, it has a bigger curve.

Not sure what cal you want, but get a butt plate that is friendly to your shoulder!


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Originally Posted by BS2
No mater what you build, look at SS336s butt plate, it has a bigger curve.

Not sure what cal you want, but get a butt plate that is friendly to your shoulder!


Absolutely. Even if the stock blank doesn’t have one it will when I’m done.

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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I really appreciate those tapered barrels. As much as a swamped barrel!!



Makes all the difference on how the rifle balances and handles. I do not like a muzzle heavy gun.


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