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Variety is the spice of life a good 6 or 243 will spoil you. Remington screwed their 244 with too slow a twist rate.by the time they fixed that winchester had the 243 up going and running away with it
I have had and have both , more than likely most will disagree but the 243 and 6 are better with 22 to 24" barrels. Remington continued to keep the 6 paralyzed with all their goddamed short barrel offerings and when you see a 6 for sale most often one with a short barrel, guys with 22 and 24" models hang on to theirs. Let the short barrel whiners piss and moan all they want but that 's the truth. Mb
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Get yourself a 6 Creed...............just because.
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Shaman, You could replace about 1/2 of you safe with a couple of 6mm, .243s
The 6mm or .243, for me works as an all around every day rifle, for me it takes the place of the .222---.223---22-250---250-3000-- to name a few, depends on what loads i am shooting 55 gr. at 3800 fps up to 115gr at 2850 fps,The 6mm, 243, is a very good long range and target rnd, very accurate, Kills way above it's pay grade hunting, it may not be the worlds best all around but it's damn close. Rio7 What is this “replace” of which you speak? Seems to me that would mean letting something else go, a dangerous notion!
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As I get older and sorer, I realize that I don't like recoil if I don't need to. In between that, and the better performing bullets out there, you know longer need a ".30-somthing", or anything near that size, for whitetails anymore. You can use them, but you don't need to.
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The premium Bullets helped this caliber more than most. My all time favorite deer round is a 6/284. Hasbeen
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Get yourself a 6 Creed...............just because. Actually, these days I've seen far more 6mm Creedmoor ammo and brass on store shelves (and on the Internet) than .243 or, especially, 6mm Remington.
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As I get older and sorer, I realize that I don't like recoil if I don't need to. In between that, and the better performing bullets out there, you know longer need a ".30-somthing", or anything near that size, for whitetails anymore. You can use them, but you don't need to. I know what you mean. I decided the 35 Whelen was a bit too much for whitetails a number of years ago. I'm gradually working my way down the recoil ladder.
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Get yourself a 6 Creed...............just because. Actually, these days I've seen far more 6mm Creedmoor ammo and brass on store shelves (and on the Internet) than .243 or, especially, 6mm Remington. That’s a good “because”.
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6mm bullets are very sleek for their weight, and can fly quite a ways while retaining good proportions of their muzzle velocity, even in the wind. Anything you like about the quarter-bores you will like better in 6mm.
I've loaded for 6mmRem, 243 win, 6mmBR, 6mm-284, and load development in each one consisted of choosing a bullet and a popular powder, and working my way up by half-grains to MOA, then varying .05" seating depths to get to sub-moa. I'd say none of them took more than 30 rounds to get a very consistent, very accurate load (...if i can still trust my memory that well).
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I'd be lost without my .243. I would have no reason to use a .30 on a deer. Many do, I have no quarrel with it but its not for me. .243 will kill any of them cleanly.
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This is not a troll. I'm not trying to stir things. I'm honestly trying to decide if something in 6mm would be reasonable for the likes of me.
1) I'm primarily a deer hunter and primarily hunt with a .30-something.
2) I'm well covered from 35 Whelen down to 25-06 for big game.
3) I have several 223 REM rifles in various configurations.
4) I have a maximum range of 450 yards to shoot at home.
If you look at what I currently have to play with, I'm nearly covered from a 40 grain bullet (223 REM) up to 250 grains (35 Whelen). Where my current battery is a bit soft is in the 75-100 grain realm, but I'll be deuced if I can think of a situation where I'd really need it.
I realize that, to be a true loony, these questions just don't enter into your head. Sadly, they do enter into mine.
Having a .222 and a Swift, three .250s, three .257Rs, a .25/06, 6.5s, 7mms, and several .30s (but no magnums), I see no need or want for a 6mm. That said, I've been toying with the idea of a fast twist 6mm Rem for a year or two now. Usually takes me 3-5 years for a decision, though, so no pressure.
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You don't need a 6 mm, but you'd like it if you had one. A Savage 99 would be something different.
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The 6mm is much better than the poorly designed 243
I prefer classic.
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It's no secret I like the 6mm's, I bought a real clean Savage 99, 243 looked cherry inside and out, it was a pig, my 300 Savage 99, is a kick ass rifle, ya never know what your buying with the older 99s, YMMA Rio7
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I had a major shoulder surgery back in 2010. I knew I couldn't handle the recoil of any of my 30's that season. So I broke out the 6mm and worked up a load with the 85 gr Barnes. It was a pleasure to shoot even off the bench. And I knew I was good out to 300 yds if needed.
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Shaman, For your AO around Neave / Milford, the real question is "Why would you need all of those other rifles if you had a decent .243?" I have a LH .270 as my "all around, do everything" rifle only because I hope to one make at least one more trip to Colorado. If I only planned to hunt KY, all I would ever need is my .243. Now " want" is a different subject... 
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Well with a 25-06 in your lineup it’ll be real tough for a 6mm anything to give you more versatility in terms of power vs recoil. However there are lots more high BC bullets in 6mm and they kill really, really well - just not better than your 25-06.
The 6mm’s will give you the gap filler you want though - straight wicked with the older Sierra 85gr HPBT and the new 80-85gr Barnes offerings. No need to shoot 100gr in a 6mm to maximize effectiveness. They are easy on powder too if you’re into efficient cartridges due to the current shortages.
Not a gun writer but own several of each and have enjoyed the benefits of geeking out on one or the other depending on where my mind was at the time. I lean toward the .257 if I’m being honest.
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Have been using various 6mms and .25s since the early 1970s, and as far as I can tell the only one that MIGHT kill "better" than the .243/6mm is the .257 Weatherby Magnum. But that depends on what somebody means by "better." And yes, my experience includes the .240 Weatherby.
Put a bullet that penetrates and expands sufficiently from any of them in the right place, and the animal dies quickly--and not just "deer-sized" game.
Might also mention that I've owned three 6mm Remingtons, and have yet to discern any noticeable difference between it and the .243 Winchester--except that it's harder to find 6mm brass and ammo.
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This is not a troll. I'm not trying to stir things. I'm honestly trying to decide if something in 6mm would be reasonable for the likes of me.
1) I'm primarily a deer hunter and primarily hunt with a .30-something.
2) I'm well covered from 35 Whelen down to 25-06 for big game.
3) I have several 223 REM rifles in various configurations.
4) I have a maximum range of 450 yards to shoot at home.
If you look at what I currently have to play with, I'm nearly covered from a 40 grain bullet (223 REM) up to 250 grains (35 Whelen). Where my current battery is a bit soft is in the 75-100 grain realm, but I'll be deuced if I can think of a situation where I'd really need it.
I realize that, to be a true loony, these questions just don't enter into your head. Sadly, they do enter into mine.
Around here, I was able to find a lot of 6mm projectiles so I decided I needed a 6mm something. I went with an AR platform and the 6x45. That is a fun little rifle to shoot. Mild mannered and very accurate. It does well with your 75-100gr bullet criteria. It also does very well with bullets a little lighter as well. 58gr for example. There's a lot you can do with a good 6mm rifle. Also keep in mind that "need" may not really be correct, as you don't really need one, but if you want one, go for it. There are a lot to chose from these days.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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