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I don't mind a little imprecision in adjustment on my inexpensive scopes. After seeing Leupold come in here on their live stream and say what they said, I don't think I'll ever buy more than their base models. A VX-5HD 3-15x44 Firedot is exactly what I want in spec. I have come so close to buying one several times, but the information I have absorbed on the internet has given me pause. Unfortunately, there is nothing else out there that competes with that model.

Carry on with whatever works for you. Nobody is trying to change your reality.

The problem is that when you and others state something like “been using 20 Leupolds for 30 years, with no failures,” you’re implying that your Leupolds work as advertised. I would submit that your use/requirements of the scope do not depend on whether or not it works as advertised. Leupold scopes are advertised (whether implicitly or explicitly) as being adjustable in specific increments (whether 1/4 MOA, 0.1 MRAD, etc.), and retaining that erector setting even when subjected to repeated recoil. IMO/IME, an unacceptably high percentage of Leups don’t perform to these standards.

[quote=Clarkm]I have hundreds of rifles, like I am living in a gunsmith junk yard.

When I go to the range, I take tools and lots of rifles to test.
I help other people who are having trouble with bad groups.
For years I noticed that more than half my problems and other people's problems were the scope base screws were loose.

Then I did this simple derivation:

Scope base screws are not stressed in shear, but in tension.
If my 142 gr bullet maximum acceleration is from 500 fps to 2000 fps in 0.4 ms then an 8 pound rifle will try to accelerate from 1.27 fps to 5.07 fps in 0.4 ms. This is an acceleration of 9500 ft/sec squared.
If a 2 pound scope were part of that 8 pound rifle during that acceleration the force between the rifle and the scope would be
f = m a = 2 pounds 9500 f/ss = [9500 f/ss] [2 pounds / [Gc = 32 f/ss]]= 594 pounds.

If there were 4 screws in shear that would be 148 pounds force / screw.
That screw has a 0.12" minor diameter
A = pi r r = .011 sq in
Grade 5 bolt [American cap screws] has a shear strength of 72,000 psi
Each screw would have a shear strength of 814 pounds.

But they are not in shear.
They are in tension.
Grade 5 bolts are good for 127,000 psi in tension.
Each screw is good for 1436 pounds force in tension.
They are pre loaded to about half that, making a clamping force of 700 pounds.
The coefficient of static friction between the steel scope base and the receiver is ~ 0.6
So each screw provides a static state up to 420 pounds recoil force.
4 screws 1680 pounds.
But the hard kicking lightweight rifle and heavy scope only have 594 pounds peak force between them.
1680 pounds friction is greater than 420 pounds recoil, therefor the bases stay put.
If they were to slip, the screws might see shear forces, but that would require operator error in tightening the screws.

But you already noticed that 22 rimfires stay sighted in.

You can put all the oil you want on a 22.

Oil can cause wood stocks to split, but probably not with a 22.
[Clarkm I also try to help folks at the range. Loose mounting screws are the number one issue. Folks will shoot several boxes of ammo before asking for help. After may 10 instances this year alone the first thing I do is grab the scope and see if it moves. Many times it does. I had only one scope failure in may be 50 years until I started verifying zero from a good rest. One other thing I noticed is how few scopes actually are repeatable. I well remember with the old Weavers and Redfields if I ever got them zeroed not messing with the adjustments. I am still amazed at the number of "hunters" who refuse to shoot paper at least to verify their sights.
The only 2 Leupolds I have had that actually failed were a 2x7 after maybe 40 years on between a Number1 in 375 H&H and a Number1 in 300 win. and a new 1.5x5 after maybe 150 rounds on a .416 Rigby. All my fixed powers 2.5, 3, 4, and 6. Have been very reliable as have several 3x9's.

That loser is never worth listening to. You can get the same or better info from normal people around here.

Not to me. anyone that calls me a [bleep] or whatetever crap comes from his mouth while hiding behind a keyboard isn't worth listening to. I visit where he is supposed to be from a couple times a year. I gave him several chances to talk to me like that in person. Never a response. I've since realized that was stupid of me. The mentally ill can't be held accountable for their words, and if I did kick the crap out of him what would that make me? Best to just ignore

If one's purpose is to educate and influence an audience, then one probably shouldn't refer to said audience with vulgar, insulting words.

Since B.S. (how fitting?) is constantly doing that, one must come to the conclusion that those aren't his goals with his posts. If that is the case, then what are his goals, and why does he do it?

They certainly are not to educate and influence others. At that, he fails miserably.

About the only parts of his posts I actually understand are the vulgar terms. The rest is semi-literate jibberish.

Well Paul, I can tell you my three VX-5HD 3-15x44 Firedots are working great for me. I think you would like them. No issues except for the pitiful wide duplex that I can live with because of the lit dot.
I use these for hunting, because of the features and lighter weight, very few scopes have this combination. I don't need my scopes to pound tent stakes. Or anchor a ship. I don't blast away with my hunting rifles all year long. I've done my load development and they shoot with very good accuracy. Before the season I check them to my satisfation and run them well past what I would shoot at live game in the field. I see no reason to subject them to any unnecessary recoil all year long. Would they hold up to 10,000 rounds like all these naysayers shoot? Don't know, don't care.

Much to the dismay of the haters, these are working well for what I use them for.
If they did not, they would be tripped.

It's not about hate it's when you realize a product does not work as it should. For me, I change scopes a lot when they will not reliably adjust to zero its very revealing, especially after a Leupold has come back from the repair shop.

Life is short want reliability in my scopes, now that reloading components are tough to come by want to stick with stuff that works as it should.

For those that have Leupolds that have worked for years have you ever tried adjusting them to see if they track and go back to zero?

Yes, mine are functioning the way they should. For three years, they are a fairly new model.

But I don't pick the rifles up by the scope turret and spin them around like Stick does either.

Why the fugg would I do that ?

i gotta agree why would i care if it still shoots center ?

Serious question.
We have determined that NF, SWFA and some bushnells do everything that Leupold users are not getting. Easy initial zero, rtz, etc.
Why doesn't Leupold spend an extra 15$ and add a couple ounces, to get what the others give. Wouldn't have to make any announcement, just fix it. They would corner the market as they had at one time.
I often wonder how a scope is determined to not be moving a bullet 1/4 inch at 100 yards if the gun is only capable of shooting a 3/4" group, and thats a pretty good shooting gun if folks will admit it.

Yes I have tried. I have a vx 111 3.5-10x40 that wouldn't track.
Ran the windage and elevation knobs all the way in and put,then reset it to the center of adjustment. It tracked fine after that.
It had been sitting on the shelf in the safe for a few years.
I do have duplicate calibers that I shoot different weights of bullets from, not a knob turner.
So it's not a big deal if I change a load and have to run the knobs in and put every few years on a given scope.
The Leupold isn't the only scope I have ever owned that I have had to do this to. So it's not just a Leupold issue.

I have wondered the same thing.

well i don`t think lower priced type scope like the common 3X9 Leupold scope that hunters use for hunting give a chit if his scope tracks perfect and yes i use this cheaper scope sometimes too. i also have killed more critters with a 22 Hornet with a lower priced 4 x Leupold than any other rifle /scope combination i own plus i sighted this combo in 4 years ago ,i have no ideal if it tracks or hits the center of the circle/bulleyes anymore but it still kills those critters rather its 90 degrees or 20 below ,this rifle combo hangs in the uninsulated garage all year long never gets cleaned either or checked for still sighted in.
but when i shoot long range either at targets ,for competition or longer range hunting over 300 yards then yes i use a expensive NIghtforce scope . so why would most hunters spend a bunch of money on a expensive scope to kill a deer at 50 -75 yards once a year ? when a lower priced Leupold will still work just fine for a hunter ?

A VERY Wise Man,stated early in this Thread:

(''Nobody with a shred of sense or anything bordering a First Fhuqking Clue,could field one with a straight face and say "that's good",as they are blown out of the water at every price point. The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are. Unfortunately,Reupold is for Crying Karens,as it is a warm/fuzzy Gold Ring notion,predicated on that which one was,but is no longer. Hint.'').

Not that I don't enjoy Dumbfhuqks arguing over how little they do,to corroborate same. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

A short, fat, unfit, pathetic, self-loathing cundt of a human once said:

"A VERY Wise Man,stated early in this Thread:

(''Nobody with a shred of sense or anything bordering a First Fhuqking Clue,could field one with a straight face and say "that's good",as they are blown out of the water at every price point. The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are. Unfortunately,Reupold is for Crying Karens,as it is a warm/fuzzy Gold Ring notion,predicated on that which one was,but is no longer. Hint.'').

Not that I don't enjoy Dumbfhuqks arguing over how little they do,to corroborate same. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................."

LOL

Funny, yet true.

PaulaBurnedHard,

It's your Imagination,simply Pretend with it as you MUST...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon a typical day here,incorporating more Splendid Wares on a single outing,than you've "seen" in your "life". I get it,that you Whining CLUELESS Brokedicks are in over your pointy heads and haven't the "abilities","means" or "comprehension" to field Skookum Rigging,but at least you gals "get" to read about it and clamor to the Splend Pixels. That's gotta "count" for something? Don't it? Hint. LAUGHING!




Keep them Excuses flowing,as you extoll the Sweet "Satisfactions" that are your's via Vagina Monologue and repeatedly Meltdown. You Crying Karens are certainly a "rugged" lot! Hint.

Don't "forget": (''Nobody with a shred of sense or anything bordering a First Fhuqking Clue,could field one with a straight face and say "that's good",as they are blown out of the water at every price point. The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are. Unfortunately,Reupold is for Crying Karens,as it is a warm/fuzzy Gold Ring notion,predicated on that which one was,but is no longer. Hint.'').

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...................