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It was Gibbs as has been previously stated. Old Western Scrounger is also Forgett.
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I did a Google search and these Gibbs(?) modified guns have an official name: "Ishapore 2A1 No. 7 .308 Jungle Carbine"
The cut down 2A1 in 308 called a No7 while the cut-down No1 in 303 was called a No6. I shoot 150 grain FMJ's over 43.5 grains of Winchester 748. They will rattle the fillings out of your teeth. I think i'll go to a 125 grain something to see if I can tame it down a bit. That metal butt plate will hurt ya. Accuracy is OK. It would be nice to mount a red dot of some type on the rear sight . kwg
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Just first, disclaimer. SMLE novice here, but six decades plus rifle collector. Seems to me a #4 the sort of thing a really nifty, interesting .308 Win/7.62 conversion. The 'but for', rubber meeting road reality. Bolt head modif, barrel change, feeding & magazine problems... galore. Am I wrong? One matter to manufacture 10K to 100K in production facility & govt deep pockets backing. Quite another matter one/few-off conversions.
There seem clearly sufficient 'donor rifles', non-collectible specimen pool. The, "but for..." as above!
Just my questioning take.
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Just first, disclaimer. SMLE novice here, but six decades plus rifle collector. Seems to me a #4 the sort of thing a really nifty, interesting .308 Win/7.62 conversion. The 'but for', rubber meeting road reality. Bolt head modif, barrel change, feeding & magazine problems... galore. Am I wrong? One matter to manufacture 10K to 100K in production facility & govt deep pockets backing. Quite another matter one/few-off conversions.
There seem clearly sufficient 'donor rifles', non-collectible specimen pool. The, "but for..." as above!
Just my questioning take.
Best!
John It is a bit hard to decipher your point here, or what the question is. FWIW though the OP's rifle is not a No 4, but built on an Ishapore No 2A1. These were made in 7.62 to start with, not a conversion. The Indians made and used a couple of hundred thousand of them.
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Just first, disclaimer. SMLE novice here, but six decades plus rifle collector. Seems to me a #4 the sort of thing a really nifty, interesting .308 Win/7.62 conversion. The 'but for', rubber meeting road reality. Bolt head modif, barrel change, feeding & magazine problems... galore. Am I wrong? One matter to manufacture 10K to 100K in production facility & govt deep pockets backing. Quite another matter one/few-off conversions.
There seem clearly sufficient 'donor rifles', non-collectible specimen pool. The, "but for..." as above!
Just my questioning take.
Best!
John It was my understanding they were NOT conversions but came from the Ishapore factory in this configuration. kwg
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The Ishapore 2A and 2A1 were manufactured as 7.62x51mm from the get go. They were not converted 303s. What you will find is the headspacing is 7.62 NATO, so if you run 308 gauges into it, the rifle will likely fail the NO GO check. In other words, the bolt will close on the NO GO gauge. This DOES NOT necessarily mean the rifle is unsafe to fire. It means there is a little extra room for the NATO cartridge. Here's a bit of light reading about 308 vs 7.62 NATO. https://303british.com/7-62-nato-or-308-winchester-whats-the-difference/
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Interesting that, thanks. Some day when I grow up I need to get a .308.
I am..........disturbed.
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Interesting that, thanks. Some day when I grow up I need to get a .308. You're welcome. WRT 308s, I would steer clear of them. They say people who fire rimless handgun or rifle cartridges develop warts, tags and unexplained rashes. 
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Interesting that, thanks. Some day when I grow up I need to get a .308. The Ishapore 2A was my first 308. I have since added a Savage 308. I haven't seen the need for a 308 in an AR configuration yet but maybe some day. kwg
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Fake or not, I think Enfields are cool guns
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Fake or not, I think Enfields are cool guns Yep.
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