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If the NRA fails completely would CMP pick up all match sanctioning? Classifications?

I can't compete any longer but the shooting sports still hold interest for me. Looks like anything that involves a heavy shooting coat is going away?

This is what made me think about CMP picking up sanctioning from NRA,
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i think like any business, it may fail, but would reopen with a new name and continue on. just my thoughts.

CMP already has a classification and sanctioning program for across the course high power, prone, bullseye pistol etc in addition to the distinguished/non-distinguished and EIC sanctioning they have done for 100 years.

if NRA quit (for whatever reason) sanctioning ("approved" "registered") any of these types of matches, local clubs could just register with CMP instead. I think there are a lot more local matches that are not "approved" "registered" but are just club matches.

our local pistol club is currently running international/olympic-style pistol with NRA "approved" or "registered" sanctioning, they could just switch back to USAShooting if needed.

shoot good, see you all at Perry....

Poole

I am anxious to see what the participation will be at Atterbury and Perry this year.

The NRA National Match participation has really dwindled since the Atterbury move. I shot there on 2017 and 2018.

Plenty of competitors are upset about the eye protection requirements from the CMP at all matches and the possibility of having mask requirements at Camp Perry.

That being said if the NRA would get out of shooting sports I believe the powers to be at CMP would be happy. They have pretty much everything covered already from classifications to F-Class.

Hopefully the National trophies would end up with the CMP and back at Perry if the NRA would fold.

Not to get off topic but I heard atterbury is a much nicer venue and better accommodations? I heard at perry they are making accommodations better.

Back on topic our club is holding a EIC leg match and they barely got 9 people to sign up. I can’t go I will be working. But for our regular NRA matches bulk of the shooters are F class shooters, even the fairly néw class AR tactical only 3 of us shoot it, the old service rifle scene is dying.

Perry is still Perry, lots of history there. The housing is updated but limited. There are over 200 working targets between Viale and Rodriguez.

The range at Atterbury is ok. Only 50 targets. The range faces south so pulling targets from 11:00 on can be a pain and hot.

Lodging is nice and inexpensive but is limited.

Where there are good junior programs the participation seems to be better. But overall the sport is not growing. I shot an EIC two weeks ago that had three legs. I missed the cut by one point, I would have gone out. A 476 just does not cut it anymore.

Here is what our pits look like “. We use shot markers now so no more pit duty.



And range from the 600yd line.


We have 7 shot markers as of now. Are mstches are running a lot fast and smoother. Even the old guys are figuring out the electronic target thing lol. Maybe one day our club could host a match where shooters from lower 48 come up folks can tie it in with a vacation 😁

I have spent about a year in Alaska between work and vacation. We were in Alaska last August during Covid. It was nice with the crowds way down.

The problem is gear, that is a lot to fly with.

But you never know...

Are you shooting on base at Elmendorf/Richardson?

Nice looking range

You could offer free muktuk to attract shooters from the lower 48, however they may never return.

Fort Richardson side. pedneau range..

Now that's a beautiful range. Thanks for posting the pics.

do you get wind swirl off those trees on those left side shooting points?

Yes we had screwy winds coming from the left at times. We had days where left wind flag is doing nothing but the right wind flag is blowing in the wind. Off to the right is ship creek drainage and our winds come off the mtns and ship creek drainage. We also have had bad tailwinds. Then we had days with no wind. I think the big berm on the right cause the most problems.

I made the prediction long ago that the National Match game of across the course would die because of F-Class. Younger shooters know squat about the use of aperture sights and the other thing that helped kill the Service Rifle game was the adoption of the ‘rat rifle’ with its sorry-ass short sight radius! I’m proud I got to cut the heart out of the game when the M1 Garand was king!!

Mr M,
I respect your contributions to the sport and your opinions...but I will give my dissenting view to two of your opinions.
1) I do not agree that F-Class is killing Across the Course Highpower Rifle. If anything it is extending the shooting career of older shooters. Mid Tompkins, Larry Bartholome, and Jerry Tierny (RIP) are a few names that come to mind. I'm not seeing a highpower migration to F-Class happening and believe it appeals to a different crowd as well as the highpower grand seniors that maybe can't get into position or can't see well enough. Instead, I see PRS as the bigger draw with a shorter learning curve to get started, easier range setup and near instant gratification.

2) I straddle the M14 era and the M16 era's. I've competed with both and won with both. Both responded well to the proper application of marksmanship skills. But I feel that the Rat Gun as you call it, saved Service Rifle Competition. Let me explain. In the past, an accurate M14 was the domain of a fortunate few. You either needed military support, or you needed friends with that specialized knowledge. A competitive gun was not easily obtained and civilians were at a significant disadvantage. The AR15 put a competitive rifle into pretty much any shooters hands for not much more than a grand. And that grand got you a rifle that was considerably easier to care for and feed. That drew out a bunch of folk. Add to that it was junior friendly which further added to the numbers. The rise of the "Rat Gun" came at just the right time as the DCM recalled all of their state association M14's and the DCM and later the CMP stopped issuing ammo for NBPRP matches. The "Rat Gun" ensured that Service Rifle continued to be accessible to Joe Average (Chris Average in my case), and drew in more juniors (Chris Average Jr.).

Aperture sights continued to be part of the skill set to master with the Rat Gun, and actually became more important to learn as the shorter sight radius was less forgiving than on your beloved M1 or the M14.

If you want to point the finger at something that is degrading the learning of shooting with aperture sights, it's the rule change that allowed optics...but that rule allows optics on the M1 and M14 as well. I have mixed feelings about that rule...on one hand it has increased the cost of a service rifle significantly (although iron's are still legal and competitive)...but on the other hand it's extending the career of Service Rifle shooters, and it's somewhat aligned to what the troops are issued.

I have to ask you a question...have you gotten your grandkids out competing in Highpower Rifle? you know they can still compete with your beloved Garand. If the answer to this question is no...I'll ask "why not?"

We had something like that at K-Bay. The range was in the corner of an old crater. The crater was breached on the ocean side which allowed the trades to blow from right to left. Problem is that the gusts would start off from the right, then hit the crater wall and redirect so that shortly after they came from the left. I was warned of the phenomenon by some Marine friends, but didn't believe it until I experienced it. It was pretty predictable.

K-Bay looking toward the "Big End" of the Range (military shooters will understand).


K-Bay center of the line with the crater wall visible on the left.

ChrisF, that looks like a fun range!
Great pic with the 14.

I spent a lot of time on the range in K-Bay. I was my Squadrons PMI for three years there.

Mike, it is a great place to shoot. I should say "was" because I haven't shot there in over a decade, and when I checked google earth, it couldn't make out the yard lines!

Did anyone notice something strange with that Marine on the 14? I almost want to say he's sighting with his left eye and shooting off his left shoulder, but he's got his right hand working the trigger? I need to take a better look at that print!