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No idea on running an outfitting business.


Do know a local guy who booked a $17,000 moose hunt with him, 10 years ago.

Then got a call. Would you like to be on the show?
Not upfront telling him he would be beforehand.
But an invite of sorts.

This guy is a ham, likes attention, so of course he said yes.

Then he was informed he needed to buy T/C rifle, what scope,
And (if I remember) Federal premium ammo loaded with Acubonds.
Pretty sure they told him a list of chamberings.

"Wait a dam minute. $17k for a hunt?
They are getting paid to film?
You have to buy everything he pushes on film?
At full retail?"

He did.

And was happy with the whole deal. Killed a nice bull.
Of course, he payed to have his picture in the local newspaper.


And, he never even laid eyes in Jim Shockey!

It left a bad impression on me.

The money was ok. He made the deal.
But the whole filming/buying endorsed stuff at full retail,
seemed a rip off. But, it was his ego.

But after that, I get not being guided by the man. Maybe.
But to never even get eyes on him?
Shockey was a big part of the package he paid for.

I heard the Canadian government was doing some secretive testing scarier than the Wuhan institute of virology.

And that is how they created Jim shockey's FACE

Holy fck, that blocked headed Canadian had to have been an experiment gone bad.

I feel for the clients. Not so much for the outfitters. The outfitting industry has a high percentage of probably of more "crooks" than any other profession. I know this from both personal and professional experience. There's only one other well known profession where payment is due before the service. The end result is the same for both with the client getting F**ked. My apologies to the minority of outfitters who have a conscience.

I know a lot of people who hunt and only know 2 who have went hunting in Canada, a doctor and an independently wealthy man. If either lost their deposit they wouldn’t like it but they’d start their next day like any other, that’s play money for them.

If an outfitter chooses to keep clients money as described, I doubt they’ll be in business much longer.

Kinda what they call rich people problems.

I know a bunch.

My dad has hunted Caribou in Qubec about a half dozen times.
Moose in Newfoundland 3 or 4. He is a (now) retired factory
worker.
He would be heartbroken to lose that money.
Because he is really tight! Not because he couldn't afford to.
Anyone spending money on a hunting trip can afford to lose it.
Hunting trips aren't where poor people spent essential money.

Give me a break.

CV19 and the Governments screwed over LOTS of people not just Canadian outfitters. My African hunting friends have taken a huge hit. Business owners all over the world were not allowed to operate losing income and closing businesses which will never re-open.

Some of the Africa guys offered heavily discounted hunts last year when travel was allowed. They didn't make money but they did open their camps, pay staff and fill some quota. I actually went on one of those hunts last October.

Outfitters who got paid deposits or paid in full should have kept back money knowing their season would not happen. I don't think it's right for Shockey to ask the hunt money be a donation. If I was in the situation with an outfitter I had hunted with previously I might donate something but it's wrong to expect the hunter to be out his full cost.

Interesting perspective. In my experience, Canadian hunting, like hunting in general, is not at all a rich man’s game. Rather it is a pastime enjoyed by folks who value it enough to sacrifice elsewhere.

Regardless, a man’s obligation under an agreement has nothing to do with his financial situation. His account balance might determine whether he CAN keep his bargain, but not whether he should. In the end, men of character do the right thing. Others, not so much.

When I booked my first hunt in the Yukon all my friends asked "are you hunting with Shocky, I'd love to hunt with him".
My answer was no because you don't get to hunt with Shocky, he only guides the SCI hunts he donates and sponsors for the show. Also his base cost are 20% higher and he has several add on cost like you paying to have your game meat flown out on a separate plane to be donated to locals.
He is a great marketer, successful businessman and nice guy from all I hear. My outfitter said he helped increase the hunter numbers and improved revenue based upon supply and demand.
Covid and resulting government actions will kill many in the business.

All I know is he has good shows on cable if you ignore the ads. And his daughter is absolutely beautiful! She seems like the sweetest person every time she hunts with him.

I feel sorry for everyone who has lost loved ones, job, money, homes, etc through this scamdemic. I would suggest taking out your wrath on the gummint communists that engineered this whole fiasco, not the little guy left in an untenable situation. I hope my B.C. Fishing lodge friends weather this storm as they are looking retirement squarely in the face. Sad

There is something else going on.......the more G/O that go out of business the better "some" people like it, because the Government will just give the Indians the guiding territories, that is why they don't mind the shyte storm.

Government and special interest have been having a massive orgy during the Covid rules they created.

Not my Federal or Provincial Government.

673;
Good morning to you my friend, I hope the rain was a bit heavier up your way possibly, but regardless hope you're all doing okay.

While we don't know each other extremely well yet, I believe you know me well enough to understand when I say how much I wish your post was incorrect.

There is nothing I'd love more than to show you facts which refute your position...well not much I'd love more, you know?

Sadly for both of us, once again sir I believe you to be correct.

All the best regardless.

Dwayne

There's more, I am biting my tongue but will say this......the big losers here will be the Citizen's of this Province.
The situation can best be described as bizarre, and it makes no sense, even when you know what the outcome is going to be.
I wish I were wrong too, but folks need to spend more time studying their enemies and they would see the game for what it is.

The People who want to come and hunt in BC will be alright, but it will take some time.

I'm told short term, the browsing animals. deer, and moose thrive in the shrubs, and regrowth?

Are you referring to the fires?

Yes. I also told blueberries thrive on burned over ground?

A question came to mind while reading all of this. Is there insurance available to the outfitters to protect them in case an "act of God" prevents them from providing their service? That would seem to be a wise investment also.

For some reason Alaska costs a lot more than Canada

Because it's worth it.

Not if you're chasing mule deer or whitetails.