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May do some searching and get me a set ordered before they are gone for good.
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300 miles today with a 1000 Lb Razor in the bed and a 5k trailer behind, some freeway, some winding paved road. These Agilas are TERRIBLE. I've hauled this load many times easily and safely but not with these tires. They're all over the road. The sway bar didn't help. Now I'll have to get an equalizer hitch. The Coopers I had before would go straight down he road without a twitch.
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Nitto Exo Grappler. Excellent in snow/packed snow/ice and the 3rd sidewall belt means they don't get squishy with a load.
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300 miles today with a 1000 Lb Razor in the bed and a 5k trailer behind, some freeway, some winding paved road. These Agilas are TERRIBLE. I've hauled this load many times easily and safely but not with these tires. They're all over the road. The sway bar didn't help. Now I'll have to get an equalizer hitch. The Coopers I had before would go straight down he road without a twitch. RC, you went narrower with a taller side wall (percentage wise) buth I think you essentially retained almost all of the sidewall height...like 98%+..of what you had on the 265s.. have you played with air pressure to firm them up? could be they have a lest robust sidewall too. you could save them for snow tires, they are a better profile than the 265s for that purpose...
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I've run this pickup for 80k on this tire size with no problems. When I bought it in '12, it had new Goodrichs and then I ran a set of Cooper AT3's. The height, load and speed ratings are identical to the 265's. Even empty, these things wander around. With a load, the wandering is more like a drunk going where he wants to.
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I'm thinking hard about that.
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Bridgestone has a 30 day no questions asked satisfaction guarantee. They will take them back of you aren't happy. May be worth talking to your tire store to see if Michelin offers similar.
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[ I've run this pickup for 80k on this tire size with no problems. When I bought it in '12, it had new Goodrichs and then I ran a set of Cooper AT3's. The height, load and speed ratings are identical to the 265's. Even empty, these things wander around. With a load, the wandering is more like a drunk going where he wants to. I went back and reread your second post. I thought you had 265-70s before, but you said that was the stock size...not what you ran before as I was thinking... I am going to stick with them having a lest robust side wall though.. the same load rating does not mean the same handling characteristics....as you know. go back and see if they will accept "unsatisfactory" and get the ones you wanted in the first place....They can probably resell them as "take offs"
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Costco has pretty good customer service. I'll be paying them a visit when we get home. I have to drive another 300 miles to get there. 60 mph on an 80 mph freeway.
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Depending on size, it seems Discount Tire still has the Michelin Defender. I may try those if they remain stock for another 6-9 months. Got about another 10,000 miles of rubber to burn on current set of Coopers.
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I'm returning the Michelins. Costco has a 30 day return. They ordered me a set of Bridgestone Duravis M700's. I asked about Revo 3's and the manager, who I know, said I wouldn't like the noise. These are a commercial tire that he said they've had very good luck with. They aren't heavy duty off road tires but 99% of my driving is on the road. I have a Razor for the rough stuff. We came back from Boise yesterday towing our 5000lb camp trailer and with 1000lb in the back of our 3/4 ton, well under the load capacity. I've been hauling this same load for years with no issues. There's about 50 miles of concrete freeway half way home that's grooved. I had to slow down to about 55 just to keep the trailer in line. The pickup tires would grab the grooves and follow them. That would get the trailer trying to sway.
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Good that Costco took care of you.
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Dad had those R700s in stock-size 265/75/16 on a F350. Good results.
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Those Duravis came stock on a new Chevy 2500. At 25,000 miles they still have some tread but look awful. None of the siping goes more than halfway through the tread blocks, so they wind up with no siping pretty quick. Even the deep looking horizontal cuts that define the center two tread blocks only goes 1/2 way, so they end up being one strip of solid rubber all the way around the tire. Strangest looking tire when half worn out you will ever see. They have been stable and quiet, but I will not buy them by choice.
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@Rock Chuck, Sounds like your tires were possibly under-inflated for the load you had. IMO tires should have been inflated to at least 65 psi and possibly more. On a 2010 F 250 4WD I would run 60 psi in front and 55 in back when empty. Handled well.
With 4000 lbs of crushed stone in the box I would run 65 in the front and 80 in the back...
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They had plenty of air. They're squirrely even when the pickup is empty.
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I had a set of Michelin LTX (I think) that was loosey goosey. They were ok at 80psi, but never good. The worst was Goodyear duratracks.
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That sucks about the Michelin’s. They’re usually a great product. Was thinking about these for my 250- https://www.tirepros.com/tires/michelin/xps-traction/p/style/36216
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glad to hear they made good on you.
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