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Inch Pound Torque Wrench #16224455 07/04/21 Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 N NWT OP Campfire Member OP NWT Campfire Member N Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 As rifle scopes continue to become more expensive, sometimes out pricing the rifles they go on, I am looking for a quality torque wrench . Also many of the rifle builders are including a set of Torque action screws along with their blade action screws.when they build a rifle. Who makes and sells a high quality precision inch pound torque wrench for mounting scope bases, scope rings and will also be proficient for tightening rifle action screws?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16224469 07/04/21 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,518 Western Kentucky lastround Campfire Tracker lastround Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,518 Western Kentucky I use a “Fat Wrench” from Midway. Definitely not the most precise, but it has worked for me. NAGW If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice. Doug

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16224474 07/04/21 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,574 Southern Oregon L logger Campfire Tracker logger Campfire Tracker L Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,574 Southern Oregon https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...wheeler-fat-handle-or-weaver#Post9362936

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16224484 07/04/21 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,966 GRIZZ Campfire Tracker GRIZZ Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,966 I have a dial type... I was told by one of the Aerospace Engineer types at work that they are the most accurate. Coyotes shot no waiting.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench lastround #16224612 07/04/21 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,648 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,648 ms Originally Posted by lastround I use a “Fat Wrench” from Midway. Definitely not the most precise, but it has worked for me. NAGW Same here. It’s a whole lot better than what I have done in the past. NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench GRIZZ #16224615 07/04/21 Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,997 Cave Creek, AZ Blacktailer Campfire Tracker Blacktailer Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,997 Cave Creek, AZ Originally Posted by GRIZZ I have a dial type... I was told by one of the Aerospace Engineer types at work that they are the most accurate. Many moons ago I used to sell custom precision torque wrenches to the medical device industry. Beam torque wrenches are the most accurate followed by dial types and "click" type are the least accurate. IIRC the beam units I used to sell were accurate within 2% over their entire range. Of course you pay for precision. I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all. Jack O'Connor

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16225828 07/05/21 Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 75 South Central Iowa R Remy Campfire Greenhorn Remy Campfire Greenhorn R Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 75 South Central Iowa I use a Borka its a handy compact kit for my range bag was on sale at the time. Borka

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16225859 07/05/21 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 594 PA FWP Campfire Regular FWP Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 594 PA I also use the Fat Wrench. I do not know if the numbers represent the actual torque value but it does seem to be consistent and repeatable. Last edited by FWP; 07/05/21.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16226021 07/05/21 Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,996 Magnolia,TX D Deans Campfire Regular Deans Campfire Regular D Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,996 Magnolia,TX I have two the Fat Wrench and one from Brownells. Use the Brownells mostly. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ “Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.” ISAIAH 41:10

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16226046 07/05/21 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,728 T TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,728 I have had a Snap on, 1/4 drive. for years, , --- buy once, cry once Last edited by TBREW401; 07/05/21.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench TBREW401 #16226058 07/05/21 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 8,638 Nebr Swifty52 Campfire Outfitter Swifty52 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 8,638 Nebr Originally Posted by TBREW401 I have had a Snap on, 1/4 drive. for years, , --- buy once, cry once This ^^^^^^^^ Swifty

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench lastround #16226445 07/05/21 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 11,756 Minnesota D dale06 Campfire Outfitter dale06 Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 11,756 Minnesota Originally Posted by lastround I use a “Fat Wrench” from Midway. Definitely not the most precise, but it has worked for me. NAGW That’s what I’ve used for years. Seems to work just fine. NRA Patron

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench navlav8r #16226831 07/05/21 Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 285 J JJF Campfire Member JJF Campfire Member J Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 285 Originally Posted by navlav8r Originally Posted by lastround I use a “Fat Wrench” from Midway. Definitely not the most precise, but it has worked for me. NAGW Same here. It’s a whole lot better than what I have done in the past. Agree with the Fat Wrench. I have one and have no complaints. I also have a Borka ratchet with 2 pre-set attachments (35 in-lbs and 65 in-lbs) which handles a good share of my needs. For the other lesser in-lb values, I use the Fat Wrench.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16227178 07/05/21 Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 12,325 Tucson AZ P PJGunner Campfire Outfitter PJGunner Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 12,325 Tucson AZ Another vote for the Fat Wrench. Paul B. Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them. MOLON LABE

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16227191 07/05/21 Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 931 NorthIdontknow M Mac284338 Campfire Regular Mac284338 Campfire Regular M Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 931 NorthIdontknow Fat Wrench here, for years! Mike

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16228399 07/06/21 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,595 Ohio Ohio7x57 Campfire Regular Ohio7x57 Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,595 Ohio I just purchased a Wheeler Fat Wrench to torque the screws that hold my Romeo Zero optic on my Sig P365XL. Whenever you change the battery you have to remove the optic. It says torque to 10 inch pounds. Ron People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Orwell

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16228818 07/06/21 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 28,375 Idaho, USA Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 28,375 Idaho, USA Another satisfied Fat Wrench user. I'm sure it doesn't have the exact precision of more expensive wrenches but it's plenty accurate enough for scope and rifle action work. The main thing a torque wrench has done for me is stop the drastic over tightening of screws. Used to be everything was screwed down farmer tight. I was probably putting 40 inch pounds or more on scope ring screws, then wondering why variable adjustment rings were hard to turn or W&E adjustments weren't moving POI like they were supposed to. Haven't had that problem since I starting using the fat wrench and tightening to manufacturer's specs - and lo and behold, even with the greatly decreased torque still haven't had a scope fly off the rifle even once! Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16228828 07/06/21 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV StudDuck Campfire Tracker StudDuck Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV I've used everything out there and went with a Wiha. Borka tools are nice as well. 24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16228848 07/06/21 Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,871 Texas T TxHunter80 Campfire Regular TxHunter80 Campfire Regular T Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,871 Texas I use a CDI that adjust from 5-40 inch pounds. It's worked well for my needs

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16229195 07/06/21 Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,073 Deer Park Texas hasbeen1945 Campfire Outfitter hasbeen1945 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,073 Deer Park Texas Fat Wrench here. No complaints. Hasbeen hasbeen (Better a has been than a never was!) NRA Patron member Try to live your life where the preacher doesn't have to lie at your funeral

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16229214 07/06/21 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,856 Michigan U UPhiker Campfire Tracker UPhiker Campfire Tracker U Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,856 Michigan Another Fat Wrench user here. It comes with a little chart with their testing measurements. Any torque wrench is 100 times better than doing it by "feel".

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16231253 07/07/21 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,376 Denver, Colorado S shinbone Campfire Regular shinbone Campfire Regular S Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,376 Denver, Colorado FAT wrench for me https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017290554?pid=508605

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16231279 07/07/21 Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,914 B Bearcat74 Campfire Tracker Bearcat74 Campfire Tracker B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,914 I’ve used the Fat Wrench for years, no complaints When I die I hope I don't start voting democrat.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16231367 07/07/21 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 817 east central fl. /n/c pa. Y yobuck Campfire Regular yobuck Campfire Regular Y Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 817 east central fl. /n/c pa. For many years all we needed was a screwdriver. But that was before they started using tin foil for scope tubes.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16231458 07/07/21 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,281 Northern USA P pete53 Campfire Outfitter pete53 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,281 Northern USA Fat Wrench here works just fine for me. LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16231530 07/07/21 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,505 Lived all over the world H hotsoup Campfire Outfitter hotsoup Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,505 Lived all over the world Fat wrench works for me.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench TxHunter80 #16235259 07/08/21 Joined: May 2021 Posts: 928 Minn. O org_Rogue_Hunter Campfire Regular org_Rogue_Hunter Campfire Regular O Joined: May 2021 Posts: 928 Minn. I have the CDI as well. Originally Posted by TxHunter80 I use a CDI that adjust from 5-40 inch pounds. It's worked well for my needs U.S. government was established to represent citizens, NOT TO RULE OVER THEM.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16236239 07/08/21 Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 10,121 Kentucky Hills R reivertom Campfire Outfitter reivertom Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 10,121 Kentucky Hills The " Fat Wrench" gets them as close as I need.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16236674 07/08/21 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,985 NW Oregon B bowmanh Campfire Regular bowmanh Campfire Regular B Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,985 NW Oregon I use one I got from Brownells. Works well for me.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16237223 07/09/21 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,489 Western NY State 22250rem Campfire Outfitter 22250rem Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,489 Western NY State Got my Fat Wrench about 4 years ago. No complaints. No problems with anything I've used it on. It's much better than when I used to do that stuff by feel. Once upon a time about 20-25 years ago I was one of those guys who was from the "Farmer Tight" school of thought. Then I progressed to the inch pound by feel method, which is B.S.. That Fat Wrench was a worthwhile expense.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench TBREW401 #16237243 07/09/21 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,202 cooperfan Campfire Regular cooperfan Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,202 Originally Posted by TBREW401 I have had a Snap on, 1/4 drive. for years, , --- buy once, cry once Do you have the QD1R50?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16237245 07/09/21 Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,980 C Castle_Rock Campfire Regular Castle_Rock Campfire Regular C Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,980 Torque wrenches are for kids who haven’t had much experience with fasteners Once you develop a feel for machinery it is really easy to tell when it is right, things like lubrication or threadlockers make a torque wrench redundant

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16237279 07/09/21 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,728 T TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,728 cooperfan, Mine is Q2150R--5 -140 Originally bought years ago, for work, but does double duty

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16241420 07/10/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,888 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,888 Deer Park, Tx Originally Posted by TBREW401 I have had a Snap on, 1/4 drive. for years, , --- buy once, cry once Same here. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Remy #16242315 07/10/21 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,448 G Gasman Campfire Regular Gasman Campfire Regular G Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,448 Originally Posted by Remy I use a Borka its a handy compact kit for my range bag was on sale at the time. Borka This. Originally Posted by RED53 Some shooting knowledge: Don't stand in front of the muzzle. Some hunting knowledge: Too much noise ruins the hunt.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16242424 07/11/21 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,675 Southern Columbia County NY R Rug3 Campfire Tracker Rug3 Campfire Tracker R Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,675 Southern Columbia County NY Fat Wrench BE STRONG IN THE LORD, AND IN HIS MIGHTY POWER. ~ Ephesians 6:10 Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. --Winston Churchill

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Castle_Rock #16242447 07/11/21 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,652 Utah B boatanchor Campfire Tracker boatanchor Campfire Tracker B Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,652 Utah Originally Posted by Castle_Rock Torque wrenches are for kids who haven’t had much experience with fasteners Once you develop a feel for machinery it is really easy to tell when it is right, things like lubrication or threadlockers make a torque wrench redundant I agree with most of your posts..........you missed the mark on this one

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Castle_Rock #16242450 07/11/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,900 USA J jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,900 USA Originally Posted by Castle_Rock Torque wrenches are for kids who haven’t had much experience with fasteners Once you develop a feel for machinery it is really easy to tell when it is right, things like lubrication or threadlockers make a torque wrench redundant Total BS. I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16242824 07/11/21 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,361 WA rain forest Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,361 WA rain forest It is easy to calibrate a cheap torque wrench. It is much harder to explain how to calculate the max torque for a screw or tapped hole. The breakthrough for me in calculating max torque for a screw or a hole was reading a post in 2008 by a Caterpillar engineer. 1.5 root = 1.5x minor diameter https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/tapped-thread-depth-strength-question-153783/ without all this math. which i despise. i will just tell you what caterpillar standard is. 1 to 1.2 x Dia in steel or cast iron. 1.5 - 2 x Dia in amuminum or other softer metals. there really is nothing that requres more than 1.5 x as that will generally break even grade 8 hardware before pulling out. 2x if your really worried, and the material is really crappy. That combined with this link where there is max torque on dry screws, 75% max toque on oil or greased threads, and 50% torque on waxed threads. http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=143701 I had never realized that screws and bolts break almost all in tension stress and not in torque stress. Torque may cause the tension, but the max tension of the steel is how to calculate the max torque. Given enough female threads, the weak link is the screw breaking. That can be found in table for different grades of bolts. https://www.engineersedge.com/torque_table_sae.htm With all this information I was able to figure out how much torque I could apply to shallow 10-32 holes I was drilling and tapping into a Mosin Nagant for a scope base. There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16242826 07/11/21 Joined: May 2010 Posts: 7,347 The West Mountain P Poconojack Campfire Tracker Poconojack Campfire Tracker P Joined: May 2010 Posts: 7,347 The West Mountain I just tighten them down by hand. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench StudDuck #16242846 07/11/21 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,695 NE Oklahoma 3 3dtestify Campfire Regular 3dtestify Campfire Regular 3 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,695 NE Oklahoma Originally Posted by StudDuck I've used everything out there and went with a Wiha. Borka tools are nice as well. Another vote for Wiha! Made in Germany with the typical precision you would expect.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16243822 07/11/21 Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,024 SW Montana V VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger V Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,024 SW Montana NWT: I have and use a "Snap-On" inch pounds torque wrench for my amateur gunsmithing action torquing needs. Been working wonderfully for 35+ years now. Also have the tiny Wheeler Fat Wrench for rings/bases needs. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench TBREW401 #16244808 07/11/21 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 10,953 Washington D dye7barrel Campfire Outfitter dye7barrel Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 10,953 Washington Originally Posted by TBREW401 I have had a Snap on, 1/4 drive. for years, , --- buy once, cry once Good advice.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16247227 07/12/21 Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 N NWT OP Campfire Member OP NWT Campfire Member N Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 Lots of good advice. Fatwrench probably would have been fine, but changing out a number of scopes, so tomorrow I am ordering the Brownell’s Seekonk 1 to 75 inch pound since I currently have a Brownell’s credit I need to use up.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16248720 07/13/21 Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,593 Kentuck G gunzo Campfire Outfitter gunzo Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,593 Kentuck Haven't seen them mentioned here. Fixit Sticks. I like the concept & the full kit seems handy. Redhawk Rifles sells them.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16256673 07/16/21 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,091 Kodiak & AZ D dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,091 Kodiak & AZ If you want a " quality ' torque wrench you don't want the Fat Wrench. They are cheap, crude and hard to see the difference in graduations. I have 5 or 6 different small torque wrenches including dial and click. I have Proto, Snap on, Vortex, Wright tool and a Capri. They have different values so I choose the one for the mission. Because I work in the aerospace industry I have to have mine calibrated annually. The click ones come back in calibration every time. So far within 1%. 90% off the time I use the Capri or Vortex (same tool). I only use the dial when I want to see the torque change. Wera and Wiha make great torque screwdrivers too. Most guys that have the Wheeler have it because it was on the shelf at their local gun store. Shop for torque tools elsewhere. Using a fat wrench is like loading ammo with a Lee load all... NRA Benefactor Member Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16258053 07/16/21 Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 17,066 OldmanoftheSea Campfire Ranger OldmanoftheSea Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 17,066 I have a nice little compact one. It came in a little plastic box about the size of a box beam made out of two longitudinally folded dollar bills. (~6"x1"x1") I think that it goes up to 21.8 ft-lb or N-m (I think one is 21.x and the other 14ish) it would probably work well on scopes, it has a standard hex-bit drive. I believe it is made by Gustiforza(sp?) -OMotS "If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay " Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16259345 07/17/21 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Only issue with the Wheeler is it doesn’t go high enough for action screws. Those I do by feel. Main purpose of the torque driver for me is to keep me from getting too frisky with ring screws, not precision. I do about 17-18 inch pounds, and have yet to have one slip in the rings. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16261183 07/17/21 Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 N NWT OP Campfire Member OP NWT Campfire Member N Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 Pretty hard to compare the different torque wrenches/drivers locally. Along with the Seekonk from Brownell’s I ordered the Wiha to compare and see which one fits my needs the best. They seem to be totally different units.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Castle_Rock #16261403 07/18/21 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 805 Connecticut sackett Campfire Regular sackett Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 805 Connecticut Originally Posted by Castle_Rock Torque wrenches are for kids who haven’t had much experience with fasteners Once you develop a feel for machinery it is really easy to tell when it is right, things like lubrication or threadlockers make a torque wrench redundant So torquing the rod & main bolts and the head bolts on a car engine is a waste of time? Might want to also mention your ideas to the aerospace and jet engine manufacturers as well (and remember they don't use loctite, but rather safety wire). Critical fastening requires a torque wrench....spent 18 years in a field that required it or the fuel pump would become a thousand dollar paper-weight. Last edited by sackett; 07/18/21.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16265609 07/19/21 Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 180 SW Ohio J jonesmd4 Campfire Member jonesmd4 Campfire Member J Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 180 SW Ohio I have an Armstrong 1/4" drive dial torque wrench that has given me good service for 35 years for all manner of things that need to be torqued to inch pound specs. Member: NRA Ohio Gun Collectors Association

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16265612 07/19/21 Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 13,234 Henderson, NV NVhntr Campfire Outfitter NVhntr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 13,234 Henderson, NV Fat Wrench. Let's Go Brandon! FJB

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench sackett #16267156 07/20/21 Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,980 C Castle_Rock Campfire Regular Castle_Rock Campfire Regular C Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,980 Originally Posted by sackett Originally Posted by Castle_Rock Torque wrenches are for kids who haven’t had much experience with fasteners Once you develop a feel for machinery it is really easy to tell when it is right, things like lubrication or threadlockers make a torque wrench redundant So torquing the rod & main bolts and the head bolts on a car engine is a waste of time? Might want to also mention your ideas to the aerospace and jet engine manufacturers as well (and remember they don't use loctite, but rather safety wire). Critical fastening requires a torque wrench....spent 18 years in a field that required it or the fuel pump would become a thousand dollar paper-weight. We are talking about 6*48 scope mount screws here that maybe have 1/8” of engagement here and little amounts of inch pounds of torque, are you using safety wire?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Castle_Rock #16267405 07/20/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana [/quote] We are talking about 6*48 scope mount screws here that maybe have 1/8” of engagement here and little amounts of inch pounds of torque, are you using safety wire? [/quote] The primary reason torque amounts started being suggested for scope mounting was NOT the strength of the screws, but the strength of scope tubes. A LOT of people (including some so-called professionals) were over-tightening ring-screws to the point where scopes started to malfunction. This is especially true of variables, since they have an "inner tube" (the erector tube, which in variables changes magnification) that can be affected by too much ring tightening. But over-tightening can also affect adjustments, and in some scopes it doesn't have to be much to affect them. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16267445 07/20/21 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,728 T TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,728 MD, I recall you saying it was --Farmer tight

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench TBREW401 #16267457 07/20/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana Yep! Apparently a lot of people think a scope won't stay firmly in place unless the rings put "waists" in the tube. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16267730 07/20/21 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,285 North Idaho B BigNate Campfire Regular BigNate Campfire Regular B Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,285 North Idaho How many of you have your tools calibrated? “You never need fear a man, no matter what his size. When danger threatens, call on me, and I will equalize.” Samuel Colt. �Common sense is genius dressed up in work clothes.� - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Mule Deer #16281168 07/25/21 Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,825 Texas southtexas Campfire Tracker southtexas Campfire Tracker Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,825 Texas Originally Posted by Mule Deer Yep! Apparently a lot of people think a scope won't stay firmly in place unless the rings put "waists" in the tube. What settings do you recommend for scope ring screws and scope mount screws? Thanks

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench BigNate #16281173 07/25/21 Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,825 Texas southtexas Campfire Tracker southtexas Campfire Tracker Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,825 Texas Originally Posted by BigNate How many of you have your tools calibrated? Good question! Where would one go to get this done? Machine shop?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench southtexas #16281462 07/25/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana .[/quote] What settings do you recommend for scope ring screws and scope mount screws? Thanks[/quote] Generally, whatever the mount manufacturer recommends, which is generally around 17-20 inch pounds--though scope manufacturers also often suggest settings. But it varies with the thickness of the scope tube. Nightforce generally recommends 25 inch-pounds, because their tubes are thicker than typical lighter-weight hunting scopes, and NF scopes are also heavier as well, which often requires tighter rings to keep them in place during recoil (which if course also depends on the cartridge and rifle weight). “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench TBREW401 #16281486 07/25/21 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,734 Minnesota, Florida chris_c Campfire Tracker chris_c Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,734 Minnesota, Florida Originally Posted by TBREW401 I have had a Snap on, 1/4 drive. for years, , --- buy once, cry once I have one also

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Mule Deer #16281509 07/25/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,900 USA J jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,900 USA Originally Posted by Mule Deer What settings do you recommend for scope ring screws and scope mount screws? Thanks Generally, whatever the mount manufacturer recommends, which is generally around 17-20 inch pounds--though scope manufacturers also often suggest settings. But it varies with the thickness of the scope tube. Nightforce generally recommends 25 inch-pounds, because their tubes are thicker than typical lighter-weight hunting scopes, and NF scopes are also heavier as well, which often requires tighter rings to keep them in place during recoil (which if course also depends on the cartridge and rifle weight). [/quote] Years ago I was told by a VP at Nightforce that with theor rings 15 inch pounds. I went 14 and have never had a scope move I haven't asked their recommendation since so I'm not up to date I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16281784 07/25/21 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,792 Out West G GunTruck50 Campfire Regular GunTruck50 Campfire Regular G Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,792 Out West MATCO tool truck have them, probably as would Snapon, or Mack. Mine is a very old Snapon it will out last me. Plus there are many different types. Actually I have 2 inch pound torque wrenchs. The other is a Mack I believe. The difference is the Mack has a bar that bends with a pointer on it. The Snapon is the more expensive click type. I used the Mack type to set pinion bearing drag as you can see when you are getting close to the spec. The Snapon won,t tell you how close it is until it clicks.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench BigNate #16289394 07/27/21 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,091 Kodiak & AZ D dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,091 Kodiak & AZ Originally Posted by BigNate How many of you have your tools calibrated? All of mine, annually NRA Benefactor Member Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Mule Deer #16291861 07/28/21 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,170 Northern California Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,170 Northern California You may pick your wrench. Randy NRA Patriot Life Benefactor

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16291969 07/28/21 Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 N NWT OP Campfire Member OP NWT Campfire Member N Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 434 Received both the Brownell’s Seekonk and the German Wiha . For my needs the Wiha is about perfect .

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16293696 07/29/21 Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 13,004 Henderson, Texas John_Boy Campfire Outfitter John_Boy Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 13,004 Henderson, Texas A good inch pound screw driver is a must. I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one comes to the Father but by me. John 14:6

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16294143 07/29/21 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV StudDuck Campfire Tracker StudDuck Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV Originally Posted by NWT Received both the Brownell’s Seekonk and the German Wiha . For my needs the Wiha is about perfect . Solid choice. 24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16294183 07/29/21 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 6,817 Tallahassee, Florida 257Bob Campfire Tracker 257Bob Campfire Tracker Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 6,817 Tallahassee, Florida I didn't use a torque wrench for years, never a problem that I know of but I decided about two years ago to give it a try and I would not mount rings/bases/scope without one if I could avoid it. Getting the screws all to spec not only eliminates the guessing game but also results in uniform consistency for all 8 scope ring screws and I believe that's got to be a benefit to more consistency and longevity. I do agree that overtightening is more of a problem for most people and the torque wrench helps avoid that too. I went with the Wheeler Fat Wrench, not the most expensive but I'm satisfied with it.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16295708 07/29/21 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Journeyman Campfire Regular Journeyman Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 All y'all torque lovers: What corrections do you use for lubrication? What corrections do you use for friction? Since torque is not a direct indicator of tension, what calc do you use to ensure the correct tension on your fasteners? Just curious... You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Journeyman #16296246 07/30/21 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV StudDuck Campfire Tracker StudDuck Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV Originally Posted by Journeyman All y'all torque lovers: What corrections do you use for lubrication? What corrections do you use for friction? Since torque is not a direct indicator of tension, what calc do you use to ensure the correct tension on your fasteners? Just curious... I'm mounting a scope, not working on Air Force 1. 24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench StudDuck #16324158 08/08/21 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Journeyman Campfire Regular Journeyman Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Then why use a torque wrench that won't yield accurate tension, vs simply using a T wrench designed to yield the accurate tension for a a given T tension? You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16324472 08/08/21 Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 21,768 Clinging to our God and Guns Dillonbuck Campfire Ranger Dillonbuck Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 21,768 Clinging to our God and Guns A torque wrench, used in a less than perfect manner! beats the ass off a screwdriver twisted untill your teeth grit. Twice. (The old fashioned "Farmer Tight" method most traditionally use.) I know using a torque wrench usually results in a big surprise in how little effort it takes to properly tighten most fasteners. Often am uncomfortable with how tight I haven't made lug nuts. 100ft/lbs sure is a long way from pulling on the bar till I grunt. Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Dillonbuck #16324528 08/08/21 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Journeyman Campfire Regular Journeyman Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 A torx wrench of the proper factor snugged and then pulled to 90* will be more consistent 70 times than a piece of [bleep] torque wrench. I took my BS in Structural Engineering in 1982. At that time the accepted design criteria was ASD - Allowable Stess Design. After several years working in Petro Chem Offshore the US finally caught up with the rest of the world that LFRD Load Factor and Resistance Design was the more accurate specification, and that is what is used now in all US design. I did my Masters on the transition. Simply put, and argue all you want, but please supply references: For the last 25ish years, I've not worked on ONE project on 5 continents where TORQUE is acceptable as an indicator for tension in critical service. Turn of the Nut, which is equivalent to using say a T25 and pulling it to 90* is ALLOWED on non-critical systyems. Hydro-Tensioning, ie measuring the stretch on the fastener is spec'd for critical systems....and TORQUE NEVER meets the requirement... You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16324574 08/08/21 Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon What happened to Farmer Tight being good to go ? 😬🦫 PS I use a torque wrench for mounting or seating screws on a rifle. Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Journeyman #16324600 08/08/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana Journeyman, Apparently you missed this post I made on this thread back on 7/20: The primary reason torque amounts started being suggested for scope mounting was NOT the strength of the screws, but the strength of scope tubes. A LOT of people (including some so-called professionals) were over-tightening ring-screws to the point where scopes started to malfunction. This is especially true of variables, since they have an "inner tube" (the erector tube, which in variables changes magnification) that can be affected by too much ring tightening. But over-tightening can also affect adjustments, and in some scopes it doesn't have to be much to affect them. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Mule Deer #16324647 08/08/21 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Journeyman Campfire Regular Journeyman Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Not only didn't miss it...but disputed it. If a t15 or t25 snugged and pulled to 90* affects your scope...dump that POS... Marty Bordson, Glen Seekins, Jered Joplin and I have had this discussion years ago... Here's what Marty says now... Badger Installation Again, John - my point is that a POS wrench off by 6% +...+ no correction for the friction factor on the fasteners...+ no correction for any lubricant or locker....= the problem you describe MUCH MORE than using the long end of a torx wrench as tight as one can twist it.. You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16324697 08/08/21 Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,716 Texas J jeffbird Campfire Regular jeffbird Campfire Regular J Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,716 Texas Journeyman, Looks like Marty still gives torque values in in/lbs as does Nightforce and Spuhr uses both in/lbs and Newton/meters. rather than delving into engineering theory, what tool and method do you recommend for mounting scopes? Looking for specific info to use. Thanks.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16324706 08/08/21 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 10,407 NE South Dakota Bugger Campfire Outfitter Bugger Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2014 Posts: 10,407 NE South Dakota Not the expert that some of you evidently are. But on a project I was on, the contractors had to buy new torque wrenches and had to have them calibrated every six months. The torque wrench that they were using was a very common torque wrench (I owned two of them at the time) and according to the mechanical engineering group could be off by 50% easily. Therefore, I’d like to see the specification by the scope manufacturer including plus/minus % and pick the appropriate wrench. If the scope manufacturer wants 25 inch pounds plus or minus 1 inch pound then that would narrow the choice, I’d guess. I’m pretty sure my choices were often made by the $’s I had at the time and not to what was the best tool for the job. I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench jeffbird #16324902 08/08/21 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Journeyman Campfire Regular Journeyman Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Originally Posted by jeffbird Journeyman, Looks like Marty still gives torque values in in/lbs as does Nightforce and Spuhr uses both in/lbs and Newton/meters. rather than delving into engineering theory, what tool and method do you recommend for mounting scopes? Looking for specific info to use. Thanks. Jeff, You said "rather than delve into engineering theory", so I offer this: There are two companies that own the thread locker market, Henkel (LOCTITE) and Permatex. I have friends at both. One of my friends worked on this layman's manual: LOCTITE Threadlocker Manual Go to Section 6 "Threaded Assemblies" and read it through. You'll note at Section 6.2: Method 3 Measure torque This is the simplest and most widely implemented method used in engineering. It is also the least accurate. The variables involved in using this method can result in errors of ± 25%. The margin of error can be magnified by coefficients of friction, lubricants, burrs on bearing surfaces, flexibility of the structure and operator error. Therefore, when torque is used to control clamp load, testing is recom- mended to determine either the coefficients of bearing and thread friction or the k-factor of the assembly configuration. Since you said you don't want to get into engineering theory let's skip the k-factor discussions and cut to the chase... There are 3 influencing factors that affect proper tightening: Bolt Tension, Thread Friction, and Head Friction. What I suggest, is: Dump all fasteners in acetone and clean them to bare metal. Use a cotton swab soaked in acetone to clean the threaded assemblies. Apply Loctite 248 STICK Loctite Stick then use the proper torx wrench, ie 15/25/whatever and snug , then twist to 90 *(another of your questions - * = degrees) This will ensure you get the minimum clamping force to avoid slippage. Now, to sound like a hypocrite, I then use a Wiha torque wrench calibrated to a test block to see where it clicks at the value stated by the ring or scope manufacturer. Almost always it clicks before applying anymore tension... You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16324956 08/08/21 Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,716 Texas J jeffbird Campfire Regular jeffbird Campfire Regular J Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,716 Texas J-man, exactly the info I was looking for. I do thoroughly degrease every thread, been using blue loctite liquid, but will try the stick. I have the Seekonk 1 - 75 in/lbs torque indicator, but it is bulky, so is limited to the bench. Any good? https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-...nd-variable-torque-wrench-prod18221.aspx Something smaller besides a Fat Wrench to fit in the toolbox would be nice. Eyed Wiha’s on occasion, but never added one. Might give it a try. Which model do you recommend? Nightforce is offering a compact torque wrench set with their branding, though just a swag it is relabelled made by someone else. Thoughts? https://www.nightforceoptics.com/riflescopes/accessories/other-accessories Thank you sir.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Journeyman #16325512 08/09/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana Originally Posted by Journeyman Not only didn't miss it...but disputed it. If a t15 or t25 snugged and pulled to 90* affects your scope...dump that POS... Marty Bordson, Glen Seekins, Jered Joplin and I have had this discussion years ago... Here's what Marty says now... Badger Installation Again, John - my point is that a POS wrench off by 6% +...+ no correction for the friction factor on the fasteners...+ no correction for any lubricant or locker....= the problem you describe MUCH MORE than using the long end of a torx wrench as tight as one can twist it.. I don't see where you disputed my post about torque settings being mostly for scopes. I do dispute what you say about torque and scopes, since many manufacturers (including Nightforce) have specific recommendations. As I also mentioned earlier, NF recently recommended 25 inch-pounds for rings. I have seen plenty of good "hunting" scopes affected by too much torque on the ring-screws. In fact I have seen some permanently deformed. If you think that disqualifies a scope for any use, then that's your opinion. With rare exceptions I don't use thread-locker, or lube--or anything else--on ring-screws, and haven't had problems with scopes shifting in the rings on hunting rifles up cartridges such as the .416 Rigby and .458 Winchester--and that includes a .416 Remington Magnum that only weighed 8 pounds. Am familiar with Marty's recommendation of not turning the lock nuts on the rings more than half a turn past finger-tight if you don't have a torque wrench, since I have some of his rings. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16326085 08/09/21 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,091 Kodiak & AZ D dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,091 Kodiak & AZ I have found it best to lock the screws down with inspection lacquer, torque paste or whatever you want to call it. It goes on AFTER the scope is torqued, easily defeated by wrench, immediately tells you of its slipped... I can tell you that some of the cheaper scopes have softer aluminum tubes, 25 in/lbs will cause real problems. I've been down that rabbit hole enough. NRA Benefactor Member Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench dennisinaz #16326857 08/09/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana Dennis, Even some of the more expensive scopes have that "problem." I can tell several stories.... “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench StudDuck #16327011 08/09/21 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Originally Posted by StudDuck Originally Posted by Journeyman All y'all torque lovers: What corrections do you use for lubrication? What corrections do you use for friction? Since torque is not a direct indicator of tension, what calc do you use to ensure the correct tension on your fasteners? Just curious... I'm mounting a scope, not working on Air Force 1. Bingo! Doesn’t matter if my cheesy Fat Wrench delivers 14, 18, 23, or whatever inch pounds when I set it between 15 and 20 for ring screws. What matters is that the scope doesn’t slip, the rings stay tight, and the scope works like it’s supposed to. I spent a few decades being very particular and precise about stuff and appreciate the value of it when it’s required. This ain’t one of those times. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16327013 08/09/21 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... The only thing that would make this thread more of a train wreck is If BigStick joined in. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench kingston #16327165 08/09/21 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Originally Posted by kingston The only thing that would make this thread more of a train wreck is If BigStick joined in. Pretty sure he’s in the Farmer Tight camp. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Mule Deer #16330702 08/10/21 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Journeyman Campfire Regular Journeyman Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Originally Posted by Mule Deer Originally Posted by Journeyman Not only didn't miss it...but disputed it. If a t15 or t25 snugged and pulled to 90* affects your scope...dump that POS... Marty Bordson, Glen Seekins, Jered Joplin and I have had this discussion years ago... Here's what Marty says now... Badger Installation Again, John - my point is that a POS wrench off by 6% +...+ no correction for the friction factor on the fasteners...+ no correction for any lubricant or locker....= the problem you describe MUCH MORE than using the long end of a torx wrench as tight as one can twist it.. I don't see where you disputed my post about torque settings being mostly for scopes. I do dispute what you say about torque and scopes, since many manufacturers (including Nightforce) have specific recommendations. As I also mentioned earlier, NF recently recommended 25 inch-pounds for rings. I have seen plenty of good "hunting" scopes affected by too much torque on the ring-screws. In fact I have seen some permanently deformed. If you think that disqualifies a scope for any use, then that's your opinion. With rare exceptions I don't use thread-locker, or lube--or anything else--on ring-screws, and haven't had problems with scopes shifting in the rings on hunting rifles up cartridges such as the .416 Rigby and .458 Winchester--and that includes a .416 Remington Magnum that only weighed 8 pounds. Am familiar with Marty's recommendation of not turning the lock nuts on the rings more than half a turn past finger-tight if you don't have a torque wrench, since I have some of his rings. Hey, John... Sorry, you're right. didn't mean I dispute what you said; I meant I dispute what you were told. I'd not disparage your writing in any way. Truly enjoy your stuff. However; Right now my consultancy is working on pipe stresses on a North Sea FPSO. She's ~270M in length by ~50M breadth width a depth of ~30M and a draft of ~12M. Her deadweight's ~130,000 tonne and her displacement ~200,000 tonne. There are ~77,000M of topsides piping, from 1/8" tubing to 36" seawater, in 8 different materials form Ti to low temp CS, in schedules from 10 to XXS. This piping runs over 12 modules to make an integrated topsides. Our contract was to calculate spans, stops, anchors, etc for every meter of that pipe in 2 states - 20* C with a sea state of a 13 M swell over 30 second duration...and + 20*C with 18M swell over 30 second duration. And... we're done! But, were just offered a hell of a change order to calculate stresses of a certain size berg or bergy bit at a certain velocity impacting form the side... In other words...if I get a break I'll look at the acceleration from a rifle on a mounting system and a scope if one of my guys has a minute or two to spare... You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Pappy348 #16331055 08/10/21 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Journeyman Campfire Regular Journeyman Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,688 Originally Posted by Pappy348 Originally Posted by StudDuck Originally Posted by Journeyman All y'all torque lovers: What corrections do you use for lubrication? What corrections do you use for friction? Since torque is not a direct indicator of tension, what calc do you use to ensure the correct tension on your fasteners? Just curious... I'm mounting a scope, not working on Air Force 1. Bingo! Doesn’t matter if my cheesy Fat Wrench delivers 14, 18, 23, or whatever inch pounds when I set it between 15 and 20 for ring screws. What matters is that the scope doesn’t slip, the rings stay tight, and the scope works like it’s supposed to. I spent a few decades being very particular and precise about stuff and appreciate the value of it when it’s required. This ain’t one of those times. Do you read english? You can no more tell someone how to do something you've never done, than you can come back from somewhere you've never been...

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Journeyman #16331781 08/11/21 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Some. Do you know what GFY means? What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16333990 08/11/21 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,648 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,648 ms Aren’t there two problems at work in getting the ring screws tightened correctly? 1- the ring screws have to be tight enough so they don’t back out. 2- the clamping force applied to the scope itself when it essentially becomes the fulcrum between the screws on one side of the ring and the other side as each is tightened. Assume the ring instructions calls for 25” lbs and I use my Fat wrench (uncalibrated BTW) and I tighten to 25” lbs, If my ring screws never move and I don’t crush the scope so much that the internals are affected, does it really matter that my Fat wrench may have actually tightened to 28”lbs or 30? If it’s reasonably consistent (+/- 10% or even 20%) it’s close enough for my purposes and it would probably work OK if I mount another scope next week. If it works, it works…. NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Journeyman #16334860 08/12/21 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV StudDuck Campfire Tracker StudDuck Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV Originally Posted by Journeyman Originally Posted by Pappy348 Originally Posted by StudDuck Originally Posted by Journeyman All y'all torque lovers: What corrections do you use for lubrication? What corrections do you use for friction? Since torque is not a direct indicator of tension, what calc do you use to ensure the correct tension on your fasteners? Just curious... I'm mounting a scope, not working on Air Force 1. Bingo! Doesn’t matter if my cheesy Fat Wrench delivers 14, 18, 23, or whatever inch pounds when I set it between 15 and 20 for ring screws. What matters is that the scope doesn’t slip, the rings stay tight, and the scope works like it’s supposed to. I spent a few decades being very particular and precise about stuff and appreciate the value of it when it’s required. This ain’t one of those times. Do you read english? . Last edited by StudDuck; 08/12/21. 24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16334885 08/12/21 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. I have a Borka but mainly use it on the base (rails etc) with thread locker. 24" pounds does it. For the rings (mainly use Burris with inserts) I tighten them until there is a space between the upper and lower ring that is about the thickness of a credit card, or so. I make sure both sides are equal and the front and back rings are equal too. Kinda hard to mess up with the Burris inserts. I have not used thread locker on the ring screws. Maybe I should? I also make every effort to have the rings as close to center of the turret/objective, turret/ocular as reasonably possible. I am definitely open to constructive criticism of my approach. Faith and love of others knows no mileage nor bounds. That's simply the way it is. dogzapper After the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box. Italian Proverb

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Sakoluvr #16335332 08/12/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483 Calgary, AB, Canada Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483 Calgary, AB, Canada Originally Posted by Sakoluvr I have a Borka but mainly use it on the base (rails etc) with thread locker. 24" pounds does it. For the rings (mainly use Burris with inserts) I tighten them until there is a space between the upper and lower ring that is about the thickness of a credit card, or so. I make sure both sides are equal and the front and back rings are equal too. Kinda hard to mess up with the Burris inserts. I have not used thread locker on the ring screws. Maybe I should? I also make every effort to have the rings as close to center of the turret/objective, turret/ocular as reasonably possible. I am definitely open to constructive criticism of my approach. You might consider moving the rings as far apart as possible to minimize any torque on the scope tube from bumps, etc., rather than centering the rings on the scope tube mounting surfaces.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Jordan Smith #16335369 08/12/21 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV StudDuck Campfire Tracker StudDuck Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV Originally Posted by Jordan Smith Originally Posted by Sakoluvr I have a Borka but mainly use it on the base (rails etc) with thread locker. 24" pounds does it. For the rings (mainly use Burris with inserts) I tighten them until there is a space between the upper and lower ring that is about the thickness of a credit card, or so. I make sure both sides are equal and the front and back rings are equal too. Kinda hard to mess up with the Burris inserts. I have not used thread locker on the ring screws. Maybe I should? I also make every effort to have the rings as close to center of the turret/objective, turret/ocular as reasonably possible. I am definitely open to constructive criticism of my approach. You might consider moving the rings as far apart as possible to minimize any torque on the scope tube from bumps, etc., rather than centering the rings on the scope tube mounting surfaces. Correct and it is supposed to prevent the tube from flexing as well. 24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16335420 08/12/21 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. Gotcha. More times than not the rings are spread apart more than stated. Thanks for the feedback. Faith and love of others knows no mileage nor bounds. That's simply the way it is. dogzapper After the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box. Italian Proverb

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16335474 08/12/21 Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,090 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,090 In the Swamps You wankers seem to be fascinated by inches and wrenches. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench DigitalDan #16335507 08/12/21 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge And lubricant…. Gotta figure in the lubricant What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16335577 08/12/21 Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,716 Ontario, Canada S Steve Redgwell Campfire Outfitter Steve Redgwell Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,716 Ontario, Canada I love threads like this! 🙃 I am sitting on the deck watching the rain. Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.com Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Steve Redgwell #16335626 08/12/21 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV StudDuck Campfire Tracker StudDuck Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell I love threads like this! 🙃 I am sitting on the deck watching the rain. They're almost as bad as a "best lube thread" on an AR15 forum. 24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Steve Redgwell #16335859 08/12/21 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,084 Whttail_in_MT Campfire Outfitter Whttail_in_MT Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,084 Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell I am sitting on the deck watching the rain. Nobody likes a braggart.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Whttail_in_MT #16336221 08/12/21 Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,716 Ontario, Canada S Steve Redgwell Campfire Outfitter Steve Redgwell Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,716 Ontario, Canada Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell I am sitting on the deck watching the rain. Nobody likes a braggart. Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.com Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Journeyman #16345147 08/15/21 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV StudDuck Campfire Tracker StudDuck Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,073 WV Originally Posted by Journeyman Here's what Marty says now... Badger Installation Good info from Marty. Hadn't seen this, thanks for posting In regards to the Loctite, I prefer the gel as it tends to be a little less messier than the liquid or stick. 24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench NWT #16345323 08/15/21 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 10,407 NE South Dakota Bugger Campfire Outfitter Bugger Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2014 Posts: 10,407 NE South Dakota I read MD’s article on the subject. Interesting. I guess I need another gadget. I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally

Re: Inch Pound Torque Wrench Bugger #16345330 08/15/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana If you haven't had any problems, probably not! But am wondering what gadget you're thinking about.... “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck