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I am picking one bullet for my favorite rifle, a pre 64 30-06. looking for opinions for just one load, one bullet for all game from antelope to elk. im to old and to lazy for multiple loads or caliber consideration and I am quite certain my 06 will do everything necessary. I do like to load. ranges will likely be from 100-200 yards, but never go beyond 400. at that range, I just won't shoot. thanks in advance !
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180 gr Partition. Soft up front for expansion on deer and 'lopes; but will penetrate for elk.
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150 165/168 or even 180 grain TSX, TTSX take your pick
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A lot of choices but for the ranges you describe 165s @ 2700-2900
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180 grain Nosler Partiton.
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180 NP all the way. Just works.
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168 TTSX or 175 gr LRX . Simple
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165gr Nosler Partition, a CCI LR primer, Hornady case, enough H4350 to reach 2900+ out of a 22''-24" barrel, then go hunting.
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Agree with SouthTexas. 180 Grain Nosler Partition. Used this in Africa with perfect results from Impalas to Kudu. 56 grains IMR 4350 is my go-to load and is Sub-MOA in several different rifles.
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This is what I’ve been using the past 2 seasons on deer, elk and antelope. The factory Barnes vortx shoots sub moa in my rifle.
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My first stop would be a 165 Partition, Accubond, Federal Trophy Bonded Tip, Sierra Game Changer or Speer Hotcore. If I wanted a mono I'd go with a 150.
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My first stop would be a 165 Partition, Accubond, Federal Trophy Bonded Tip, Sierra Game Changer or Speer Hotcore. If I wanted a mono I'd go with a 150. My feelings as well.
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Just one load? 180 gr. NPT at 2700 - 2750 fps MV. Pre '64? So 24" barrel? Then 57 grains H4350 will get you there.
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I never was wild about the 180 in the 30-06. I like a 150 the best
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I'm partial to the 168gr Nosler Ballistic Tip in my 30-06's
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200 grain Speer HotCor flat base spitzer. Loaded to MV of 2550+ fps, it shoots flatter than you'd think.
Load 4350 or 4831 ( Hodgdon or IMR), and go hunting.
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Old school- 150 gr Hornady soft point New school- 155gr Scenar
Both will merc deer/bear/elk like a mofo
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The great 200gr Nosler Partition at 2700 fps over H-4831, RL-22 or 7828, if one wishes to pay attention and entertain oneself, a drop tube and H-4831 SC under the 200gr Partitions will run an easy 2800+ fps at 3.340", loaded one WW-Super case 5 times in a 24 inch barreled pre-64 '06, primer pocket still tight, crazy, but the Old Warhorse is a "hammer!"
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I'd take a hard look at a 200 grain partition for 400 and under as well.
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180 Nosler Partition. Classic
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Ok thanks guys. I have a good supply of 168 trex and 4350, so if this gun shoots them I will use them.
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I've been using 165 gr AB's in my 30-06. Since we can't hunt grizzlies in the lower 48 and most likely never will, it will handle any big game in the country.
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It's certainly been done with the 165 gr Nosler Partition. Guy
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For years I used 150gr PT's interchangeably with Speer 150 gr hotcores in a 270. I couldn't tell much difference. Both bullets would look about the same on the far side of an elk. I saw quite a few of both as they would usually end up under hide on the back side. Those hides are very stretchy and will stop most bullets in that weight and speed range.
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165 or 180 accubonds or hornady interbonds. Whitetail to moose.
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Have taken numerous deer from small does to good sized bucks, a few antelope, and one mature bull elk with 150 grain TTSX. Results have been universally good. Lots of DRT and easy blood trails depending on shot placement.
Getting ready to set up a .30/06 for my son with this one load, do it all thing in mind. Going to try 150 grain TTSX, 168 TTSX, and 180 grain partitions and simply go with whichever one shoots best.
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Federal's 180 grain Nolser Partition factory load------no reason to reload.
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Federal's 180 grain Nolser Partition factory load------no reason to reload. Their plain Jane blue box 180s works better than they probably should
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The great 200gr Nosler Partition at 2700 fps over H-4831, RL-22 or 7828, if one wishes to pay attention and entertain oneself, a drop tube and H-4831 SC under the 200gr Partitions will run an easy 2800+ fps at 3.340", loaded one WW-Super case 5 times in a 24 inch barreled pre-64 '06, primer pocket still tight, crazy, but the Old Warhorse is a "hammer!"
Exactly. About time someone mentioned this exceptional bullet. The op is looking for "one" bullet for shots from 100 to 200 yards. Damn if I can't think of any other bullet that would work as well as the 200gr partition. I've tried so many like the 165 and 180gr Hornady sp interlock, 180gr ww powerpoint, corelokts of various bullet weights (from 150 to 220) and even the touted 180gr partition (which I've had elk catch by the way). The 200gr partition always pokes a hole through the critter, no matter how big and it puts them down fast. Its also damn accurate out of every 30-06 I've shot it in. I'm with you gunner. My vote is for the 200gr partition. The best bullet for the op's application..
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The great 200gr Nosler Partition at 2700 fps over H-4831, RL-22 or 7828, if one wishes to pay attention and entertain oneself, a drop tube and H-4831 SC under the 200gr Partitions will run an easy 2800+ fps at 3.340", loaded one WW-Super case 5 times in a 24 inch barreled pre-64 '06, primer pocket still tight, crazy, but the Old Warhorse is a "hammer!"
Exactly. About time someone mentioned this exceptional bullet. The op is looking for "one" bullet for shots from 100 to 200 yards. Damn if I can't think of any other bullet that would work as well as the 200gr partition. I've tried so many like the 165 and 180gr Hornady sp interlock, 180gr ww powerpoint, corelokts of various bullet weights (from 150 to 220) and even the touted 180gr partition (which I've had elk catch by the way). The 200gr partition always pokes a hole through the critter, no matter how big and it puts them down fast. Its also damn accurate out of every 30-06 I've shot it in. I'm with you gunner. My vote is for the 200gr partition. The best bullet for the op's application.. Good choice. Would also look hard at the 168 gr. TSX. Chose that one for the M1 rifle. GR
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Speer 150gr Hot-Cor Spitzer, if you want something a little beefier the 165gr Hot-Cor Spitzer.
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The performance of this combination will never be eclipsed. Partitions and premium bullets are for marketing, the Hornady is for hunting.
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Way back when I used the 300 Win mag a lot I shot 180 NPT'S full throttle 3100 fps in my m70 , they work great but were tiresome on the shoulder. I developed a 165 gr SP Hornady load at 3000 fps with H4831 it worked outstanding on WHITETAILS and mule deer. In the ribs and out the other side with complete penetration . I think I only ever caught 1. It shoots great in all my 30-06's as well. 165 gr SP do not confuse with the softer 165 gr btsp. Mb
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My own, personal, one-bullet choice for my .30-06 is the Barnes 165 gr. TSX. It has served me well not only in the lower 48, but on the African continent as well. Accurate, easy to load for, and very effective on all sizes of game.
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168 TTSX or 175 gr LRX . Simple This is me. Yet, all the others are good too.
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I would imagine it would be pretty hard to top a 180 gr Nosler Partition as long as they group well. When you're talking the lower 48 you're talking about everything from Javelina to Moose so you would have to think of the bigger end and not the lower end and the middle. What will cleanly kill a moose will work on smaller game but the reverse isn't always true. And the Partition is the one they all compared themselves to when trying to make new bullets. Something to be said for that.
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165 hndy sp, 57gr H4350
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180 gr Partition. Soft up front for expansion on deer and 'lopes; but will penetrate for elk. +1
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My first thought was 168gr T/TSX, whichever shoots best.
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The great 200gr Nosler Partition at 2700 fps over H-4831, RL-22 or 7828, if one wishes to pay attention and entertain oneself, a drop tube and H-4831 SC under the 200gr Partitions will run an easy 2800+ fps at 3.340", loaded one WW-Super case 5 times in a 24 inch barreled pre-64 '06, primer pocket still tight, crazy, but the Old Warhorse is a "hammer!"
Exactly. About time someone mentioned this exceptional bullet. The op is looking for "one" bullet for shots from 100 to 200 yards. Damn if I can't think of any other bullet that would work as well as the 200gr partition. I've tried so many like the 165 and 180gr Hornady sp interlock, 180gr ww powerpoint, corelokts of various bullet weights (from 150 to 220) and even the touted 180gr partition (which I've had elk catch by the way). The 200gr partition always pokes a hole through the critter, no matter how big and it puts them down fast. Its also damn accurate out of every 30-06 I've shot it in. I'm with you gunner. My vote is for the 200gr partition. The best bullet for the op's application.. Good choice. Would also look hard at the 168 gr. TSX. Chose that one for the M1 rifle. GR Bingo. That is also a great bullet. I started messing with loads for my new 30-06 with that bullet. Still in the development stage though. I didn't want to burn up my H4350: This load is pushing almost 2,800 fps in my rifle.. Should do a number on any elk or deer or bear I run across..
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I don't have a favorite. I have Hornady, Remington, and Nosler in the box.
I find the thread interesting. In that, unless I missed it. No one's favorite is made by Sierra. At one time they were the go-to manufacture for rifle loonies.
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Like ^^^^^ 165 gr partition wouldn’t suck either. 🦫
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Either 165 or 180 Partition. Killed more game than all the rest of the bullets mentioned in this thread combined. Find out which weight your rifle likes, stick with it until the cows come home.
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I don't have a favorite. I have Hornady, Remington, and Nosler in the box.
I find the thread interesting. In that, unless I missed it. No one's favorite is made by Sierra. At one time they were the go-to manufacture for rifle loonies.
That was pre-internet days. After the net Sierras became flying ashtrays. Funny thing is they still kill critters the way they did pre-net. I bet a 180 or 200 grain Gameking at '06 velocities is a killin son of a bitsch.
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I have only hunted WT with my 06s and I haven't loaded A 150 gr bullet in so long I honestly can't remember.
Years ago I switched to the 165s and have been a happy camper ever since. However for WT I use the 165 HBTSP and it has worked for me w/o any problems. The BTSP gives the 165 an aero advantage over the FB.
It is a compromise between the 150 & 180 grainers. I like the fact there are 165, 180, & 200 gr Nos PartitionS for, when you need them.
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I'm being very honest and NOT critical at all.
In years past I tested Sierra hunting bullets in 6mm, 270, & 30 Calibers in almost EVERY medium available to me. I tested them from 20 yds----50 yds.
Honestly.... I never recovered ONE that was still in tact. They, every one, had separated core from jacket or worse. Consequently,,,,,,,,,,
For those happy with Sierra, that's fine with me. I'm not competition for those bullets.
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I'm being very honest and NOT critical at all.
In years past I tested Sierra hunting bullets in 6mm, 270, & 30 Calibers in almost EVERY medium available to me. I tested them from 20 yds----50 yds.
Honestly.... I never recovered ONE that was still in tact. They, every one, had separated core from jacket or worse. Consequently,,,,,,,,,,
For those happy with Sierra, that's fine with me. I'm not competition for those bullets.
Jerry Same here. I have several out of deer that have slipped cores. Have some where all I have recoved is the jacket. I think that is why they kill so good, not just 1 projectile headed through the vitals, there are several. I do shoot Partitions in my 6mm now just because of the area I hunt. With the Sierra I wouldn't take some of the hard angle shots I may be presented with. Heavily wooded, nasty thick azz brush in creek bottoms. I want an exit and blood on the ground but really haven't needed it. I adjusted where I poke em at and ever since then most have fallen where they were standing when I pulled the trigger.
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I'm a Nosler/Barnes guy but am very impressed with all the love for the Hornady 165 SP on this thread. Makes me want to give it a try. But I am drowning in Noslers (thanks, SPS) so I'd have to make a special effort... Working now on a good 200 Part load. Getting all the speed with RL-26 but working for accuracy. My old lot of H4831sc was great, but the new lot is much different. Takes two more grains to get the same speed and accuracy is worse.
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I'm a Nosler/Barnes guy but am very impressed with all the love for the Hornady 165 SP on this thread. Makes me want to give it a try. But I am drowning in Noslers (thanks, SPS) so I'd have to make a special effort... Working now on a good 200 Part load. Getting all the speed with RL-26 but working for accuracy. My old lot of H4831sc was great, but the new lot is much different. Takes two more grains to get the same speed and accuracy is worse.
Cheers, Rex Some report good results with Hunter. I like MRP and think PP 4000-MR would be interesting. 4831 with heavies has a good track record. I guess it boils down to what you have on hand or can find. DF
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165 or 180 grain Ballistic Tips, SST's or TGK's, if you want bonded bullets, Accubond, Interbond or Scirocco II's. For mono metal bullets, 150 or 165 grain E-Tip, GMX or TTSX. Honestly for the lower 48 with a 30-06, just about anything that you use will work, just pick one you like.
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180 gr Accubond and 58 grs of H-4350 which is the top load in Speer’s book and on line site. Gives factory velocities or slightly above. It’s accounted for nine bulls from 25 yards to 475 yards and a few whitetails.
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i've used the same load for years. don't know if these are available. 180 gr ww power point round nose with 47 gr 4895. in my old model 70 it chronographs at 2600 and is a sure killer on whitetails and pigs.
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i've used the same load for years. don't know if these are available. 180 gr ww power point round nose with 47 gr 4895. in my old model 70 it chronographs at 2600 and is a sure killer on whitetails and pigs. Been thinking of a load like this for woods ranges. Not full house but not 30-30 type loads either.
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165gr. Sierra Game King over 56gr. IMR 4350 has been my go to load in .30-06 for several years now, accurate and deadly on whitetails.
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30-06 All game from Antelope to elk. Ranges out to a max of 400 yards.
Like many others here it would be a 165 grain Nosler Partition, or perhaps a good bonded 165 from Nosler, Hornady or Swift.
In the 30-06 for all-around use, I doubt you can beat the 165 gr Partition although a very few others may match it.
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30-06 All game from Antelope to elk. Ranges out to a max of 400 yards.
Like many others here it would be a 165 grain Nosler Partition, or perhaps a good bonded 165 from Nosler, Hornady or Swift.
In the 30-06 for all-around use, I doubt you can beat the 165 gr Partition although a very few others may match it.
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I am picking one bullet for my favorite rifle, a pre 64 30-06. looking for opinions for just one load, one bullet for all game from antelope to elk. im to old and to lazy for multiple loads or caliber consideration and I am quite certain my 06 will do everything necessary. I do like to load. ranges will likely be from 100-200 yards, but never go beyond 400. at that range, I just won't shoot. thanks in advance !
At that range.......... 180gr partiton or 180gr Accubond... same same
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Come on, it's a 30-06.
Not big enough to require boutique bullets to hold together. Big enough to not require boutique bullets to enhance its performance.
Any decent hunting bullet from 150gr up will be fine. Since elk are in the mix, you might want a bit more weight. But depending on many factors, it may never be needed.
The POS 760 I picked up cheap loves to shoot 180 Pro Hunters with 59gr H4831. Figured it would be fine to shoot anything I would ever hunt. Especially as it's a backup. And I had them sitting there!
Have a stash of 165 Partitions, if I was going to pick a load for everything listed, probably be those. No elk? BT's Maybe a 180 BT with elk?
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I would imagine it would be pretty hard to top a 180 gr Nosler Partition as long as they group well. When you're talking the lower 48 you're talking about everything from Javelina to Moose so you would have to think of the bigger end and not the lower end and the middle. What will cleanly kill a moose will work on smaller game but the reverse isn't always true. And the Partition is the one they all compared themselves to when trying to make new bullets. Something to be said for that. You can kill a moose with a much smaller bullet than that. But the 180 grain partition is a great choice as is the 200g version. If you handload it’s fairly easy to get those up to 2900fps which will kill anything in the USA. Also remember the shiras moose while bigger than elk are smaller than the Alaska/yukon version. My friend shot his Montana bull with a 130g bullet, I think it was an accubond out of a 270 and I’ve seen several guys here in AK use the 130-150g bullets out of a 270 for moose. If he’s really talking about every species in the lower 48, I’d worry about the ones that are harder to knock down like mountain goats and aoudad.
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I have successfully killed Deer (Arizona Mule) and Elk with 130 TTSX and Varget. I have successfully killed Elk with 168gr Berger Hybrid Hunter (Federal Factory load - really goods stuff if you can find it). I have seen 150gr SST's (factory loads) fail on Cow Elks. BUT I've met others who swear there is no finer bullet so... YMMV
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You can kill a moose with a much smaller bullet than that. But the 180 grain partition is a great choice as is the 200g version. If you handload it’s fairly easy to get those up to 2900fps which will kill anything in the USA. Also remember the shiras moose while bigger than elk are smaller than the Alaska/yukon version. My friend shot his Montana bull with a 130g bullet, I think it was an accubond out of a 270 and I’ve seen several guys here in AK use the 130-150g bullets out of a 270 for moose.
If he’s really talking about every species in the lower 48, I’d worry about the ones that are harder to knock down like mountain goats and aoudad. AKP Even tho I have NOT hunted Mtn Goat/Aoudad, years back I was seriously interested in it. I read and researched the subject, success and failures by hunters and I learned something FROM those who DID. (I don't have to pee on an electric fence like some here) Whereas Goats got the reputation from being tough and hard to put down.....the consensus was that 'TOO many hunters used TOO tough bullets and more or less got pass thrus. They found using a lighter constructed bullet resulted in quicker and faster kills. Again - Not my results but FROM Goat hunters. Jerry
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I suspect the same reason is why aoudad have the same reputation for being tough to kill. Maybe 3-4 years ago a good friend and fellow gun writer had booked an aoudad hunt, as I recall one of the free-range hunts on public land in West Texas. His guide, like many Texas guides, recommended a .375 H&H.
But my friend had a beautiful "traditional" custom rifle, based on some sort of short CRF action with a fancy walnut stock. It was a .250 Savage, and shot very accurately with 100-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. He asked (1) if the bullet would penetrate sufficiently, and (2) if it was enough for aoudad. I told him my experiences with the and he decided to take the .250.
They found a big ram about 250 yards away, and my buddy shot it through both lungs. The ram ran about 50 yards and fell over dead.
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I would imagine it would be pretty hard to top a 180 gr Nosler Partition as long as they group well. When you're talking the lower 48 you're talking about everything from Javelina to Moose so you would have to think of the bigger end and not the lower end and the middle. What will cleanly kill a moose will work on smaller game but the reverse isn't always true. And the Partition is the one they all compared themselves to when trying to make new bullets. Something to be said for that. You can kill a moose with a much smaller bullet than that. But the 180 grain partition is a great choice as is the 200g version. If you handload it’s fairly easy to get those up to 2900fps which will kill anything in the USA. Also remember the shiras moose while bigger than elk are smaller than the Alaska/yukon version. My friend shot his Montana bull with a 130g bullet, I think it was an accubond out of a 270 and I’ve seen several guys here in AK use the 130-150g bullets out of a 270 for moose. If he’s really talking about every species in the lower 48, I’d worry about the ones that are harder to knock down like mountain goats and aoudad. This goat dropped in his tracks, 270 with a 130gr Barnes TSX. Shot was approximately 170 yards.
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For a very good standard bullet, check out Speer Hotcores. I've used them a lot out of a 270 with excellent results. They have very good weight retention and have been quite accurate in my rifle. I haven't tried them in a 30-06 but I have in a 300 WSM. They worked great in that one. The problem is finding them. Right now Midway has a few selections in 165 and 180gr.
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The 165 .30 Hot-Core works very well in the .30-06. Have one I recovered from an angling-away whitetail buck that not only dropped him within 15-20 yards, but retained 85% of its weight!
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I have lost track of how many moose either on my own or with bullets I have loaded for hunting partners I have seen drop to my 30-06 Tikka M65. I started out with 180 Winchester PP and 54 grains of IMR4350. They shot well and killed well at the ranges I usually shoot stuff at -- typically 150 to 300 yards. then I found the Barnes TSX and their dope said tio drop one bullet weight so I went with 168 TSX and 57 gr of H414. That load gives me 2900 ft/sec and consistently shoots between 5/8" and 1.25" at 100 yards.
My wife gets "pink bullets." 150 grain TSX with a light load of IMR3031 which pushes 2800 fps in her Tikka M65. She has shot deer at 200 yards. She also shot a nice bull moose with the same rifle and load. Range was 60 yards. Bull died on his way to the ground. She loves heer 30-06 and those custom pink bullets.
My hunting partner likes my Hornady 165 gr BTSP interloks chased along by 57 gr of IMR4350.
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[Region6/] This goat dropped in his tracks, 270 with a 130gr Barnes TSX. Shot was approximately 170 yards. [/quote] So VERY NICE ! Love the scene - Backdrop - Subjects - SS rifle - ?Composite Stock ? Goat looks big to me (no experience w/them) Horns --- 10+ "...?? WELL done Jerry
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For a very good standard bullet, check out Speer Hotcores. I've used them a lot out of a 270 with excellent results. They have very good weight retention and have been quite accurate in my rifle. I haven't tried them in a 30-06 but I have in a 300 WSM. They worked great in that one. The problem is finding them. Right now Midway has a few selections in 165 and 180gr. Although I have never taken an animal with a HotCor, the 150gr out of my 30-06 does shoot tiny groups. The 90gr HC out of my 243 is accurate enough.
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The great 200gr Nosler Partition at 2700 fps over H-4831, RL-22 or 7828, if one wishes to pay attention and entertain oneself, a drop tube and H-4831 SC under the 200gr Partitions will run an easy 2800+ fps at 3.340", loaded one WW-Super case 5 times in a 24 inch barreled pre-64 '06, primer pocket still tight, crazy, but the Old Warhorse is a "hammer!"
Exactly. About time someone mentioned this exceptional bullet. The op is looking for "one" bullet for shots from 100 to 200 yards. Damn if I can't think of any other bullet that would work as well as the 200gr partition. I've tried so many like the 165 and 180gr Hornady sp interlock, 180gr ww powerpoint, corelokts of various bullet weights (from 150 to 220) and even the touted 180gr partition (which I've had elk catch by the way). The 200gr partition always pokes a hole through the critter, no matter how big and it puts them down fast. Its also damn accurate out of every 30-06 I've shot it in. I'm with you gunner. My vote is for the 200gr partition. The best bullet for the op's application.. Damn right Buddy, first things i noticed about them was how well they flew from 300 mags for a hunting bullet, then got to see what they did to elk, mule and whitetail deer and hogs, naturally the first one i selected for my '06's, never a wrong choice imho.
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Jerry,
I suspect the same reason is why aoudad have the same reputation for being tough to kill. Maybe 3-4 years ago a good friend and fellow gun writer had booked an aoudad hunt, as I recall one of the free-range hunts on public land in West Texas. His guide, like many Texas guides, recommended a .375 H&H.
But my friend had a beautiful "traditional" custom rifle, based on some sort of short CRF action with a fancy walnut stock. It was a .250 Savage, and shot very accurately with 100-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. He asked (1) if the bullet would penetrate sufficiently, and (2) if it was enough for aoudad. I told him my experiences with the and he decided to take the .250.
They found a big ram about 250 yards away, and my buddy shot it through both lungs. The ram ran about 50 yards and fell over dead. And here is an Aoudad shot with a .30-06 and a downloaded ( to .308 levels..) basic 150 gr. Hornady spire point. This one went 10 ft. Were I to pick one bullet for the lower 48 it would be a 180 Gr. Hornady...but lots of others would work..
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Jerry,
I suspect the same reason is why aoudad have the same reputation for being tough to kill. Maybe 3-4 years ago a good friend and fellow gun writer had booked an aoudad hunt, as I recall one of the free-range hunts on public land in West Texas. His guide, like many Texas guides, recommended a .375 H&H.
But my friend had a beautiful "traditional" custom rifle, based on some sort of short CRF action with a fancy walnut stock. It was a .250 Savage, and shot very accurately with 100-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. He asked (1) if the bullet would penetrate sufficiently, and (2) if it was enough for aoudad. I told him my experiences with the and he decided to take the .250.
They found a big ram about 250 yards away, and my buddy shot it through both lungs. The ram ran about 50 yards and fell over dead. And here is an Aoudad shot with a .30-06 and a downloaded ( to .308 levels..) basic 150 gr. Hornady spire point. This one went 10 ft. Were I to pick one bullet for the lower 48 it would be a 180 Gr. Hornady...but lots of others would work.. Ingwe, what rifle is that? It looks like a 700 but I don’t recognize the stock. It has nice lines . Thanks.
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One bullet for the 30-06? Any 165 to 180 premium would work great. For that matter, a Ballistic Tip or Interlock would, too. We don’t hear much about the 150 Partition, but I’ll bet that one would be just fine. So many good choices, Truly an embarrassment of riches!
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This is what I’ve been using the past 2 seasons on deer, elk and antelope. The factory Barnes vortx shoots sub moa in my rifle. Same here, those factory 150 T-TSX's shoot so darn good I stop reloading for my 30-06. Last kill was a whitetail some distance away and I was able to recover the 150 grain bullet, it still weighed 147 grains...
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Jerry,
I suspect the same reason is why aoudad have the same reputation for being tough to kill. Maybe 3-4 years ago a good friend and fellow gun writer had booked an aoudad hunt, as I recall one of the free-range hunts on public land in West Texas. His guide, like many Texas guides, recommended a .375 H&H.
But my friend had a beautiful "traditional" custom rifle, based on some sort of short CRF action with a fancy walnut stock. It was a .250 Savage, and shot very accurately with 100-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. He asked (1) if the bullet would penetrate sufficiently, and (2) if it was enough for aoudad. I told him my experiences with the and he decided to take the .250.
They found a big ram about 250 yards away, and my buddy shot it through both lungs. The ram ran about 50 yards and fell over dead. And here is an Aoudad shot with a .30-06 and a downloaded ( to .308 levels..) basic 150 gr. Hornady spire point. This one went 10 ft. Were I to pick one bullet for the lower 48 it would be a 180 Gr. Hornady...but lots of others would work.. Ingwe, what rifle is that? It looks like a 700 but I don’t recognize the stock. It has nice lines . Thanks. It IS a 700 ADL that I converted to BDL and put in a Mountain Rifle stock...a Remington original . I added the English Red pad.
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Jerry,
I suspect the same reason is why aoudad have the same reputation for being tough to kill. Maybe 3-4 years ago a good friend and fellow gun writer had booked an aoudad hunt, as I recall one of the free-range hunts on public land in West Texas. His guide, like many Texas guides, recommended a .375 H&H.
But my friend had a beautiful "traditional" custom rifle, based on some sort of short CRF action with a fancy walnut stock. It was a .250 Savage, and shot very accurately with 100-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. He asked (1) if the bullet would penetrate sufficiently, and (2) if it was enough for aoudad. I told him my experiences with the and he decided to take the .250.
They found a big ram about 250 yards away, and my buddy shot it through both lungs. The ram ran about 50 yards and fell over dead. And here is an Aoudad shot with a .30-06 and a downloaded ( to .308 levels..) basic 150 gr. Hornady spire point. This one went 10 ft. Were I to pick one bullet for the lower 48 it would be a 180 Gr. Hornady...but lots of others would work.. Ingwe, what rifle is that? It looks like a 700 but I don’t recognize the stock. It has nice lines . Thanks. It IS a 700 ADL that I converted to BDL and put in a Mountain Rifle stock...a Remington original . I added the English Red pad. Sounds like Johnny Cash's Cadillac, but it sure looks nice. I've got an older ADL that shoots great but I'm lukewarm on the stock. Now you've got me thinking. Thanks for the info.
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It IS a 700 ADL that I converted to BDL and put in a Mountain Rifle stock...a Remington original . I added the English Red pad.
Sounds like Johnny Cash's Cadillac, but it sure looks nice. I've got an older ADL that shoots great but I'm lukewarm on the stock. Now you've got me thinking. Thanks for the info. [/quote] It is pretty much like Cash's Cadillac. A former member here donated the stock halfway through refinishing it, so I finished it. Another member sent me the bottom metal and mag box. Easy Peasy conversion! And I have a "thing" for rifles with iron sights ( even though I never use them...) Another look at the same rifle...
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It IS a 700 ADL that I converted to BDL and put in a Mountain Rifle stock...a Remington original . I added the English Red pad.
Sounds like Johnny Cash's Cadillac, but it sure looks nice. I've got an older ADL that shoots great but I'm lukewarm on the stock. Now you've got me thinking. Thanks for the info. It is pretty much like Cash's Cadillac. A former member here donated the stock halfway through refinishing it, so I finished it. Another member sent me the bottom metal and mag box. Easy Peasy conversion! And I have a "thing" for rifles with iron sights ( even though I never use them...) Another look at the same rifle... [/quote] That’s a well done great looking classy rifle. I like that open pistol grip and clean lines.
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A bullet for the lower 48 more than what you need for a deer but a Barnes a 168 grain ttsx or Nosler 180 grain Partion or Accubond would be tough to beat for a do anything bullet in all 50 states.
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I have lost track of how many moose either on my own or with bullets I have loaded for hunting partners I have seen drop to my 30-06 Tikka M65. I started out with 180 Winchester PP and 54 grains of IMR4350. They shot well and killed well at the ranges I usually shoot stuff at -- typically 150 to 300 yards. then I found the Barnes TSX and their dope said tio drop one bullet weight so I went with 168 TSX and 57 gr of H414. That load gives me 2900 ft/sec and consistently shoots between 5/8" and 1.25" at 100 yards.
My wife gets "pink bullets." 150 grain TSX with a light load of IMR3031 which pushes 2800 fps in her Tikka M65. She has shot deer at 200 yards. She also shot a nice bull moose with the same rifle and load. Range was 60 yards. Bull died on his way to the ground. She loves heer 30-06 and those custom pink bullets.
My hunting partner likes my Hornady 165 gr BTSP interloks chased along by 57 gr of IMR4350.
I've only used PP's once, 150 gr in a 270. I shot a 3x3 mulie buck quartering toward me. I hit him on the point of the shoulder but it didn't penetrate. The bullet slid under the skin across the shoulder and the full length of the rib cage before it entered the gut. It did find something vital back there but the deer ran almost 200 yds. Luckily, it was in low grass and I could see him the whole time before he went down.
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R C That was the 'luck' of hitting point of shoulder. I'm a handloader so I shoot very little factory ammo - HOWEVER in 07 I was moving and had my loading stuff packed up so I bought 2 boxes of WW 270 130 PP. I killed several WT including this one with the PP. Long story short, I jumped him in a c/o and shot him on the run. He landed on his back with 4 feet in the air. 1 shot 1 drop. The other deer hated those too. Jerry
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I have been impressed with the 180 grain SST
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180 gr Partition. Soft up front for expansion on deer and 'lopes; but will penetrate for elk. ^^^ THIS ^^^
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I've been using the 212 ELD in my 30-06 at 2700 for my all around bullet. Soft enough for bucks and plenty of bullet to handle elk. Pretty hard to pick a bad bullet for the old horse.
JWall, that is an excellent buck buddy!
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Thnx B.
In 07 I wasn’t taking many pix of hunting. I can see his white belly laying in that c/o but I didn’t think to take a pic. Wish I had.
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Hornady 150 gr. Interlock, will handle them all !
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One Bullet Nosler 165 AB or BT if I had a 30-06. I do reload 30-06 for my father though.
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This is what I’ve been using the past 2 seasons on deer, elk and antelope. The factory Barnes vortx shoots sub moa in my rifle. Yes!
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180 gr Partition. Soft up front for expansion on deer and 'lopes; but will penetrate for elk.
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I've killed quite a bit of game with the 150 TSX. I have NEVER had it be an issue. The 168 TTSX is very impressive as is the 200 gr Partition and 165 Accubond however I've used those three less. That is the extent of my real use of bullets in that cartridge on big game.
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168/180 TTSX or 175 gr LRX . Simple Add 180 Ballistic tip---been using them on elk for years out of the 300 win---they work and are tough 180 Accubond and or Partition.
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The great 200gr Nosler Partition at 2700 fps over H-4831, RL-22 or 7828, if one wishes to pay attention and entertain oneself, a drop tube and H-4831 SC under the 200gr Partitions will run an easy 2800+ fps at 3.340", loaded one WW-Super case 5 times in a 24 inch barreled pre-64 '06, primer pocket still tight, crazy, but the Old Warhorse is a "hammer!"
I have never seen a 200 NP launched at 2800 fps + safely. I have seen it break 2700 but not 2800.
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Another combo which will work from mice to moose and 30-06 180 BT 57/H4350 2770 fps .45"/100 yards
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There are many modern bullets which will qualify. The quality of today's bullets is great, whether premium or not. The trick is to find the one that YOUR rifle shoots the best. If it's accurate in your rifle, it will kill about anything.
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I have successfully killed Deer (Arizona Mule) and Elk with 130 TTSX and Varget. I have successfully killed Elk with 168gr Berger Hybrid Hunter (Federal Factory load - really goods stuff if you can find it). I have seen 150gr SST's (factory loads) fail on Cow Elks. BUT I've met others who swear there is no finer bullet so... YMMV I've seen Hornady SST's fail on antelope and mule deer. IMO they suck.
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In this order. 150 gr. TTSX 150 gr Accubond 150 gr. Swift Sirocco With the 150's your recoil will be less your bullet speed faster and with mono's or bonded they will not come apart no matter what you may hit. YMMV
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Has there been a bullet, not mentioned? ^^^^ Truth^^^^ The 30-06 works.
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Has there been a bullet, not mentioned? ^^^^ Truth^^^^ The 30-06 works. Ha ha.. Touche!!!
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I never was wild about the 180 in the 30-06. I like a 150 the best Even for moose and elk?
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I never was wild about the 180 in the 30-06. I like a 150 the best Even for moose and elk? No. Then I use the 180
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130 or 150 TTSX if you want a mono.
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165gr Interlock - goes back in my life 35 years of clean consistent kills.
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I’ve been using the 06 for about 40 years. Been the premium route, but I’m chea... ur- .economical minded. I’m back to c&c mostly. I’ve always favored 180 gr myself, but JJ Hack who has killed or seen killed more game in a few seasons vs my lifetime claims the 165 is about perfect. Who am I to argue?
I’ve been using 150 c&c (and other weights, other calibers) for the last 10 years or so on about 20 caribou., as I have for maybe another 20 previous. Over 80 total. Including 10 or so with NP. NP vs C&Cis no different as far as I can see - especially on caribou-like game.
I could go on with a bunch of stuff, including my moose kills( 20 something mostly with 180 C&C, but from 243 to 12 ga slug to 338 WM ) but it’s all the same. Hit them right with most anything and they die. Accuracy is more important than nearly all of the fest of the foo-foo.
Boiled down, I would recommend to you a 165 NP (tho I am not a particular fan for my needs.). Or the Hornady interlock. That said, most of what I use is Remington Corelokt. I’ve never been disappointed.
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I tend to really like the 165 and 168 grain bullets. From the inexpensive But deadly Hornady, to the more costly but deep penetrating Barnes TTSX.
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I never was wild about the 180 in the 30-06. I like a 150 the best Even for moose and elk? No. Then I use the 180 The thread is about which "one" bullet would you use. Why not simplify chidt and just use a 180 for everything? I used to use a 165 Hornady SP interlock in all of my 06 rifles. Damn good bullet. Some say the "poor man's partition", then I tried 180's, then I narrowed it down to the 200gr Nosler partition for everything now. "No fuss, no muss". It simply gets the job done on everything.. The reason I switched from the 180 is because I've seen elk catch them. The 200gr partition just sails clean through. Puts deer and elk down quick too..
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I don't have a favorite. I have Hornady, Remington, and Nosler in the box.
I find the thread interesting. In that, unless I missed it. No one's favorite is made by Sierra. At one time they were the go-to manufacture for rifle loonies.
That was pre-internet days. After the net Sierras became flying ashtrays. Funny thing is they still kill critters the way they did pre-net. I bet a 180 or 200 grain Gameking at '06 velocities is a killin son of a bitsch. No flies on Sierra GK. I made up some “junk loads” to get rid of some 250 in 338. No work up - I was just gonna shoo to get rid of them on the poor rep theyhad. I guess I hit it lucky- inch groups at 200. That was 20 years ago- still have 3 left. I’m saving them for a 500 yard shot. And they kill moose just fine.Within 100 yards anyway - never used them beyond that. Other than caribou, few of mine have been. Funny thing is I did the same with some 250 Hornady RN. They only go moa, but I have a lifetime supply at my age and shooting. 37 whole rounds! Probably taking tthem caribou hunting in 10 days but I have to check sight them tomorrow on way home from Anc. 3 inches high at 100 ought to do it to 300. I haven’t shot the gun in 12-15 years, and never used the RN on game at all. primary is going to be a ‘94 30-30 with peep sight, but that may need a bit of second gun.
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The great 200gr Nosler Partition at 2700 fps over H-4831, RL-22 or 7828, if one wishes to pay attention and entertain oneself, a drop tube and H-4831 SC under the 200gr Partitions will run an easy 2800+ fps at 3.340", loaded one WW-Super case 5 times in a 24 inch barreled pre-64 '06, primer pocket still tight, crazy, but the Old Warhorse is a "hammer!"
I have never seen a 200 NP launched at 2800 fps + safely. I have seen it break 2700 but not 2800. Yep, easily and safely done Fotis, ballistician at Nosler stated you couldn't get enough H-4831 in an '06 case to run into trouble, i had to see for myself, another forum member on this sight went a hell of a lot higher than me, he can chime in if he see's fit.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That'll work pathfinder76, nice looking rifle there, iirc it was beretzs that told me he thought RL-26 would make the heavies sing in the '06, good work.
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I never was wild about the 180 in the 30-06. I like a 150 the best Even for moose and elk? No. Then I use the 180 The thread is about which "one" bullet would you use. Why not simplify chidt and just use a 180 for everything? I used to use a 165 Hornady SP interlock in all of my 06 rifles. Damn good bullet. Some say the "poor man's partition", then I tried 180's, then I narrowed it down to the 200gr Nosler partition for everything now. "No fuss, no muss". It simply gets the job done on everything.. The reason I switched from the 180 is because I've seen elk catch them. The 200gr partition just sails clean through. Puts deer and elk down quick too.. So since I've hunted Moose three times and never hunted Elk I should use 180's on the deer I hunt every year?
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I have successfully killed Deer (Arizona Mule) and Elk with 130 TTSX and Varget. I have successfully killed Elk with 168gr Berger Hybrid Hunter (Federal Factory load - really goods stuff if you can find it). I have seen 150gr SST's (factory loads) fail on Cow Elks. BUT I've met others who swear there is no finer bullet so... YMMV I've seen Hornady SST's fail on antelope and mule deer. IMO they suck. I'm curious, did they fail to hold together or did they have that "blow up" effect? Reason being I've been using 180 SST's on deer and have had good success but have heard from people that they've had issues with penetration.
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Lovely rifle.
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And on and on and on....
Might just as easily sum it up with Phil Shoemaker's sig-line: "Anyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship."
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Yup ^^^
In thinking about this thread I remember as a young teenager in CA shooting a small spike/fork blacktail with a 110gr Speer Plinker or something similar at around 1500fps or less that I used as a rabbit round. Deer went straight down at around 80 yards. Got me thinking about how really capable the round must be when loaded with full house 180’s which I most commonly used on hogs in those days.
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A bullet for the lower 48 more than what you need for a deer but a Barnes a 168 grain ttsx or Nosler 180 grain Partion or Accubond would be tough to beat for a do anything bullet in all 50 states. This is pretty much what I was thinking. I’d try 180 Partition or 180 Accubond. If I couldn’t get either of those to shoot, then a lighter mono-metal bullet would be my next choice.
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165gr Interlock - goes back in my life 35 years of clean consistent kills. Exactly what I was thinking, and for basically the same reason. I have gone slumming and used about everything at one time or another. Least favorite was the 165 Hot Core or the BarnesX, tough choice, and for opposite reasons.
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180 Partition or Accubonds take your pick.
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I loaded the 150 Hornady sp for guys in Texas, years ago. It was awesome on those little SE Texas deer/hogs. I shot the 150CL in the 06 for years but found the "then new" Federal Red Box loaded with the Sierra 165GK shot better in Dads old Mod 742 I was using. It also made less of a mess on deer. My long deceased Father in Law shot the Federal Red Box 150s, usually. One time he used the .22 Accelarator loads, never checked his zero, ha. He did manage to kill a buck out around 300yds (on a pipeline) but he was aiming behind the shoulder and it hit him in the rump shell. He bled out before he got to him. ha A favorite uncle used whatever anyone gave him. One year I was with him and he shot a doe around 50yds in the neck. It made a saucer sized shallow mess just under the skin, totally fragmented to dust! Killed her though. I asked what he used and he showed me some handloads a friend gave him with Match Bullets! From then on, I bought him a box of those Remington 150clkts, ha. I suspect many use one load only because they are either a Seasonal hunter, or a looney who "simplified" his loading regimen for favorite rifles he most surely has! ha Even when I had only one rifle ( at different times of my life, I had to simplify) but I love handloading/shooting, so hey, I want to try them all!
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[quote=PintsofCraft]165gr Interlock - goes back in my life 35 years of clean consistent kills. One of my long time favorites as well.
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I never was wild about the 180 in the 30-06. I like a 150 the best Even for moose and elk? No. Then I use the 180 The thread is about which "one" bullet would you use. Why not simplify chidt and just use a 180 for everything? I used to use a 165 Hornady SP interlock in all of my 06 rifles. Damn good bullet. Some say the "poor man's partition", then I tried 180's, then I narrowed it down to the 200gr Nosler partition for everything now. "No fuss, no muss". It simply gets the job done on everything.. The reason I switched from the 180 is because I've seen elk catch them. The 200gr partition just sails clean through. Puts deer and elk down quick too.. So since I've hunted Moose three times and never hunted Elk I should use 180's on the deer I hunt every year? If you could only have 1 bullet, YES 180's.
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i inherited a real nice pre-64 30-06 Winchester made around 1950 another friend before he died gave a few thousand bullets in 30 caliber and a bunch of them are 165 Nosler partitions that are 20 some years old so that`s what bullet i will be using the 165 Nosler Partitions for deer in Minnesota this year most of the time. good luck to all,Pete53
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180 gr Partition. Soft up front for expansion on deer and 'lopes; but will penetrate for elk. This would be one bullet style and weight for all North American game.
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[quote=PintsofCraft]165gr Interlock - goes back in my life 35 years of clean consistent kills. One of my long time favorites as well. Now at 71 yo and not going to hunt Moose or Grizz I could be very happy using only 165s in the 06. Come to think of it THAT is all I've used for many years. I've made front on, behind shoulder, neck, and spine shots using the 165 BTSP and every ONE has worked w/o issue! OTOH, I would want 180s or 200s for Moose or Big bear. Jerry PS > Edit: pardon me if I already posted very similar earlier in this thread. I probably did.
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180 grainers in the ole 06 for the win!!
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The good old 180 Power Points would work for me
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180 great Remington corloc , hit him in the right spot he goes down , you eat good tonight,
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I’ve used mainly 180 grain bullets in my ‘06’s. I’m sure that combination has killed more big game for me than any other combination. It started with Remington, then Hornady (flat bae) But I’ve used others as well. One bullet you would never regret using is partitions.
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Any hunting bullet your rifle likes will suffice for the lower 48. Factory round manufacturers have known this long before any one of us so why the need to ask?
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150 or 168TTSX. whichever the rifle liked best. If it didn’t like those…. 180 partition or AB. But honestly a 180 plain Jane Hornady would be just fine and a whole lot cheaper.
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Especially when I use to hunt in far northern MN and Northern Wisconsin, often in swamps.....220 grain Round Nose.
it never failed to penetrate more than enough....normally Federal Factory ammo.
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I once set up a friends new Mod 742 '06 with a s cope and he wanted an accurate factory round. He was paying for it, so I bought a few WW 150, Rem 150 cl and on a whim, Remington 180 round nose cl. Best the 150s did was around 4"@100, those old 180 RN went 2", sometimes under 1 1/2" He later killed a Georgia WT ( Northern WT plant) young buck dressed out 175#. Bit for us ( SE Texas) His round was perfect, no bloodshot meat with the heart/lung shot. Good luck finding many round nose today! lol
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For hunting, I’m a 168 TTSX fan for the 06 and have 7 elk from 25 to 400 yards with all pass through. But they are expensive for range time. I Just loaded up some 180gr game kings and they clover leafed with 60gr of Hunter first time out this last weekend. Will be buying more and I wouldn’t hesitate to use them on any game.
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Another vote for the 200 Partition. Unbelievable performance. That's for sure. A great performer.
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150 165/168 or even 180 grain TSX, TTSX take your pick
I like the mono's. I'll add the 150gr Nosler eTip and Hammer Hunters OTM.
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I once set up a friends new Mod 742 '06 with a s cope and he wanted an accurate factory round. He was paying for it, so I bought a few WW 150, Rem 150 cl and on a whim, Remington 180 round nose cl. Best the 150s did was around 4"@100, those old 180 RN went 2", sometimes under 1 1/2" He later killed a Georgia WT ( Northern WT plant) young buck dressed out 175#. Bit for us ( SE Texas) His round was perfect, no bloodshot meat with the heart/lung shot. Good luck finding many round nose today! lol My local LGS had a surprisingly “huge” assortment of round nose bullets available. I haven’t seen that many in one place in years. It looked like the manufacturer made a run on round nose bullets.
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My local LGS had a surprisingly “huge” assortment of round nose bullets available. I haven’t seen that many in one place in years. It looked like the manufacturer made a run on round nose bullets. Getting harder to find the RN bullets. Hornady still shows they make the 30 cal 180 RN IL but haven't seen them in stock for a long time even prior to the latest run on shortages.
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Just for fun, I think I'm going to try RL-26 with a Nosler 200 grain Partition.
I'll see if it out preforms my load I have with RL-17.
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I am picking one bullet for my favorite rifle, a pre 64 30-06. looking for opinions for just one load, one bullet for all game from antelope to elk.
For me it's the 165 ,grain TTSX.....
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180 NP or Hornady FB Interlock. I believe those are all I've ever used in 30-06.
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I do think RN bullets get an unjustified “bad rap”. True, they aren’t as aerodynamic, and therefore bleed speed faster, but for most all of the big game hunting I’ve done in VA, MD, and upstate NY . . . It’s a 200-250 yard at max game anyway. Most shots are half that distance, or even less. RNs in 6.5, .270, and .30 perform just fine at these distances.
I lucked into some “vintage” Hornady 6.5mm 140 gr. RN bullets awhile back. They shoot like match bullets in my Swede. Interestingly enough the same powder charge that gets a new 140 gr Interlock moving at 2648 FPS only moves the RN to 2558 FPS (muzzle). Old Hornady “Soft Points” are similarly moving at 2560 FPS with the same charge despite a similar profile to the new Interlock bullets.
The RNs drop significantly more at 300 yards than spitzers, but by shooting them at that distance, you know how much they drop. “Forewarned is Forearmed”!
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Lots of good choices. My vote is for the 180 trophy bonded tip or 175 terminal ascent. Both expand well at low velocity and smaller game yet hold together well at high velocity and large game. I've seen them used on game from whitetail to moose and results have been the same. Works like a charm.
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My local LGS had a surprisingly “huge” assortment of round nose bullets available. I haven’t seen that many in one place in years. It looked like the manufacturer made a run on round nose bullets. Getting harder to find the RN bullets. Hornady still shows they make the 30 cal 180 RN IL but haven't seen them in stock for a long time even prior to the latest run on shortages. I believe it was in fact Hornady 180gr RN…..Interlocks?iirc.
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I do think RN bullets get an unjustified “bad rap”. True, they aren’t as aerodynamic, and therefore bleed speed faster, but for most all of the big game hunting I’ve done in VA, MD, and upstate NY . . . It’s a 200-250 yard at max game anyway. Most shots are half that distance, or even less. RNs in 6.5, .270, and .30 perform just fine at these distances.
I lucked into some “vintage” Hornady 6.5mm 140 gr. RN bullets awhile back. They shoot like match bullets in my Swede. Interestingly enough the same powder charge that gets a new 140 gr Interlock moving at 2648 FPS only moves the RN to 2558 FPS (muzzle). Old Hornady “Soft Points” are similarly moving at 2560 FPS with the same charge despite a similar profile to the new Interlock bullets.
The RNs drop significantly more at 300 yards than spitzers, but by shooting them at that distance, you know how much they drop. “Forewarned is Forearmed”!
I had a 275 Rigby built last year. I was really wanted to use 175gr RNs in that rifle and scrounged far and wide to get about 350pcs. Not thinking I had a match reamer used for the bbl and ended up with a throat that is far too short for those bullets. 120s and 140s work fine. I'd hate to sell those bullets as they are N/A for anymore. Might have to have another 7x57 done to use them. For my 30-06 and 300H&H I have some Hornady 180 and 200gr RNs that will work fine.
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without reading the entire thread.... put me in the class with a 180 or 220 grain RN crowd..
If I had to pick just ONE bullet to use forever in 06, but had an unlimited supply? Nosler 220 gr SMP Partition...
in a 270, make that a lifetime supply of the 160 SMP Partition....but I'd still cheat and sneak in some 140 gr Ballistic Tips...
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I do think RN bullets get an unjustified “bad rap”. True, they aren’t as aerodynamic, and therefore bleed speed faster, but for most all of the big game hunting I’ve done in VA, MD, and upstate NY . . . It’s a 200-250 yard at max game anyway. Most shots are half that distance, or even less. RNs in 6.5, .270, and .30 perform just fine at these distances.
I lucked into some “vintage” Hornady 6.5mm 140 gr. RN bullets awhile back. They shoot like match bullets in my Swede. Interestingly enough the same powder charge that gets a new 140 gr Interlock moving at 2648 FPS only moves the RN to 2558 FPS (muzzle). Old Hornady “Soft Points” are similarly moving at 2560 FPS with the same charge despite a similar profile to the new Interlock bullets.
The RNs drop significantly more at 300 yards than spitzers, but by shooting them at that distance, you know how much they drop. “Forewarned is Forearmed”!
I bought a lifetime supply of Hornady's 154's in 7mm when they were discontinued a few years ago. Where I hunt, 99% of the shots are within 150 yards, lose of velocity and/or trajectory is a moot point
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im putting together a model 70 with a reciever sight in 30-06, i found some 180 Hornady RN some 180 Grand slams and some 200 gr. Partitons. I would imagine I can find an adequate laod for that rig. its off to the smithy now to get a Barrel Band front swivel fabricated
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