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Originally Posted by EdM
If I understand Alpha Glass correctly apparently I own none. As such I have not struggled with mule deer, whitetail, elk, moose, black and grizzly bear, all manner of Zimbabwean, Namibian and South African stuff from cerval to cheetah to kudu, eland, gemsbuck, mountain zebra, cape buffalo and most of the rest of the basic plains game. Nary an issue with apparent lesser optics. My 416 M70 has been fine with 500 rounds prepping for the Zim trip and arrived and performed fine. Same with my FN Mauser 30-06.

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I have decent scopes on my rifles. Most in the 500 to 800 dollar range but a couple I paid more for. Too much really. But nothing Alpha. And what I have discovered is that from a practical hunting standpoint where I am located there isn't a damn thing I can do with the scopes on the upper end of my range that I can't do with the scopes on the lower end. Like I said in another thread I use scopes as an aiming device to shoot deer and hogs. I'm not taking photographs for National Geographic. Maybe the alpha glass in a 3000 dollar scope could help me better appreciate the rich beige highlights of a deers pelt at distance. But if I can see him well enough to kill him during legal light with a 700 dollar scope then it's going to be real hard to convince me that the slightly enhanced color perception is worth the extra 2300 dollars.

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Originally Posted by Willto
Originally Posted by EdM
If I understand Alpha Glass correctly apparently I own none. As such I have not struggled with mule deer, whitetail, elk, moose, black and grizzly bear, all manner of Zimbabwean, Namibian and South African stuff from cerval to cheetah to kudu, eland, gemsbuck, mountain zebra, cape buffalo and most of the rest of the basic plains game. Nary an issue with apparent lesser optics. My 416 M70 has been fine with 500 rounds prepping for the Zim trip and arrived and performed fine. Same with my FN Mauser 30-06.

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Nicely done. Beautiful animals.

Way cool on the Cheetah!!

Not sure I could hunt in shorts. I know it's a thing over there and it's hot, but just not sure I could.

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Originally Posted by EdM
If I understand Alpha Glass correctly apparently I own none. As such I have not struggled with mule deer, whitetail, elk, moose, black and grizzly bear, all manner of Zimbabwean, Namibian and South African stuff from cerval to cheetah to kudu, eland, gemsbuck, mountain zebra, cape buffalo and most of the rest of the basic plains game. Nary an issue with apparent lesser optics. My 416 M70 has been fine with 500 rounds prepping for the Zim trip and arrived and performed fine. Same with my FN Mauser 30-06.


It’s obvious you can’t afford any of it either, Ed


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How many deer does it take, to meet this classification ?

Inferior in every category, our youth model Savage M11, now wearing a slip on butt pad to increase length of pull, in (gasp) .243, wearing a crummy simmons 8 point 3-9x40 scope, shooting 100gr blue box soft points, or 95gr federal fusion, has for sure as $hit killed more than double the amount of Whitetail, than any of our other set ups !!

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Originally Posted by New_2_99s
How many deer does it take, to meet this classification ?

Inferior in every category, our youth model Savage M11, now wearing a slip on butt pad to increase length of pull, in (gasp) .243, wearing a crummy simmons 8 point 3-9x40 scope, shooting 100gr blue box soft points, or 95gr federal fusion, has for sure as $hit killed more than double the amount of Whitetail, than any of our other set ups !!

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You’re just fortunate that your Ontario deer are trained to walk up to you and suck the muzzle of your rifles. Otherwise, you’d be shopping for meat at the local co-op.

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Originally Posted by beretzs
Beav, my woods Guns get glass that sees better in the dark since it seems dark in the woods and especially at last light when deer tend to move most.

The rifles for our west get scopes that track and are able to dial. I’ve never ran out of light before the end of legal time out west.

In the East is where the really nice glass shines in my opinion and I’m not dialing on most any of them either. They’re set and forget zeroed for sensible ranges.

I take it you have never hunted the Oregon coast or Washington coast! A good scope will hunt both desert and rainforest!

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
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How many deer does it take, to meet this classification ?

Inferior in every category, our youth model Savage M11, now wearing a slip on butt pad to increase length of pull, in (gasp) .243, wearing a crummy simmons 8 point 3-9x40 scope, shooting 100gr blue box soft points, or 95gr federal fusion, has for sure as $hit killed more than double the amount of Whitetail, than any of our other set ups !!

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You’re just fortunate that your Ontario deer are trained to walk up to you and suck the muzzle of your rifles. Otherwise, you’d be shopping for meat at the local co-op.

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If there's something I've learned in 4 decades of insane amounts of hunting western big game, it's NOT to skimp on glass or boots.

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Originally Posted by New_2_99s
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How many deer does it take, to meet this classification ?

Inferior in every category, our youth model Savage M11, now wearing a slip on butt pad to increase length of pull, in (gasp) .243, wearing a crummy simmons 8 point 3-9x40 scope, shooting 100gr blue box soft points, or 95gr federal fusion, has for sure as $hit killed more than double the amount of Whitetail, than any of our other set ups !!

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You’re just fortunate that your Ontario deer are trained to walk up to you and suck the muzzle of your rifles. Otherwise, you’d be shopping for meat at the local co-op.

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My main hunting rifles have scopes that would be considered "Alpha". I don't "need" them but why does that matter, I can afford them and I like them. They sure don't hurt anything.

I probably spent less on those two scopes than most here spend on rims and speakers for their pickups.

Nobody "needs" an Alpha scope. Nobody needs to eat a good ribeye or needs to hunt either for that matter. I have them because I like them and I earned the money to buy them, that's all the reasons I need.

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Originally Posted by Greenhorn
Not sure what anybody else thinks and don't care. But I'll reply. On a typical year I may spend 20 days scouting/hunting elk, maybe 10-15 on deer, 20-30 on bears, 10-15 on antelope. I often get to tag along on other hunts for other animals, This year I drew for Bighorn Sheep in MT, and CO mule deer, and a limited permit in MT for elk, I'll also be hunting elk with my daughter for elk, as she drew a premium permit in MT. 4 in my house are likely to draw antelope in MT also. I have never been guided.

Tuesday was my 30th day this year since May 11th draw results posted in my sheep unit looking for sheep (and hunting bears some). In that time, I've used a STS80, ATS95, 10X42ELs, 15X56SLC, and just this week I picked up a pair of 12X42 NL Pures. Wow - THAT is some glass!

If there's something I've learned in 4 decades of insane amounts of hunting western big game, it's NOT to skimp on glass or boots.


I’m trying to resist the “pure” purchase… 😂

I think beave is talkin about scopes though kurt, what are you guys runnin for scopes these days?


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Yeah I can't read apparently. alpha "scope" glass. duh

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The OP can barely “afford” Alpha” glass so do as you pleas


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Deer are out there all day. You don't have to shoot them in the dark nor do you have to sit on your ass waiting for them to move.

You are a broke digk. Just give up

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Hey do nothing Bob Brown, we all noticed you didn't post a single pic in the "pics or it didn't happen" thread on the big board. Obviously you run your mouth and quarterback from the grandstands, but have nothing to add from you actually hunting and killing stuff. Although not a surprise at all, congrats.


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Originally Posted by Greenhorn
just this week I picked up a pair of 12X42 NL Pures. Wow - THAT is some glass!



Have you played with them in rain and fog or just summer weather? It seems to be hot and dry down there so I am guessing just summer nice weather but I would be interested in hearing how they fare in the snow, wet and cold.



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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Hey do nothing Bob Brown, we all noticed you didn't post a single pic in the "pics or it didn't happen" thread on the big board. Obviously you run your mouth and quarterback from the grandstands, but have nothing to add from you actually hunting and killing stuff. Although not a surprise at all, congrats.

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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Hey do nothing Bob Brown, we all noticed you didn't post a single pic in the "pics or it didn't happen" thread on the big board. Obviously you run your mouth and quarterback from the grandstands, but have nothing to add from you actually hunting and killing stuff. Although not a surprise at all, congrats.

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I dont own any alfa scope glass. I use VX 3’s . Its not that important to my hunt to have an alfa glass scope but thats not to say I wont have my main deer rifle scoped with one in the future. I wouldn't deny that alfa glass might work to benefit me. Reason I say that is I see deer noticeably better and sooner in the woods while scanning with my swaro EL binos than when I put the binos down look at them with my VX3. I only say that alfa scopes are not important to my hunt as I cant really say I have ever missed out on killing a deer because I didn't have one. I cant shoot them through the brush anyway. By the time they get cleared of the thickest brush I can see them through the VX3s very good. Im looking forward to trying a alfa scope maybe next year.

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