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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #15851610 03/01/21
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I'm a bit late getting back myself. Life happening! I'm guessing the addition of ebone forend tip and deluxe four screw-base swivels, 'probably occurred sometime in mid 1992 or later. Yet there are other possibilities too. First, the black tip and swivel sets, may not have occurred together in the same time frame. A possibility. Also, it might have been that at some point, the "Super Grade" designation was limited to the higher grades of wood.
I have no answer to these possible issues. The only sources would the the factor whose response seems to be silence and of course quite possibly records of how many of any particular model not itself qualifying as a separate serialization series (ie other that "G" prefix), might not have been historically preserved whatsoever. Difficult to know. Considering collectors in general don't even have a precise year of manufacture tied to serial numbers, I'd not be optimistic about any factory information several decades old forthcoming.
What we do know is that sometime, 'almost certainly' in the 1992-93 period, Winchester decided to up their stock decoration under the "Super Grade" designation. Notably the original pre '64 Supergrades had good quality, but not necessarily fancy grade wood stocks. The early Model 70 copied the Model 54 Supergrade stock externally about exactly, including the Super Grade black tip & SG swivels.

I've enjoyed this effort to document something more of Winchester history. A pity parent FN isn't more forthcoming. Perhaps they feel as we build reverence for earlier guns, it works against the pushing new guns out the door. Who knows!

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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #15866316 03/05/21
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Thanks to all who have provided actual serial number information, etc. to this point. It is all helpful..


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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #15874788 03/07/21
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894505968

Here is a G50xxx NIB with black tip. Just another data point for you as to when the transition had definitely occurred.

Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #15877929 03/08/21
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I own G1592 - a Super Grade out of the custom shop that has exceptional wood but no black tip. Also a 338.... Want to sell it btw.

Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #15888100 03/11/21
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Thanks Guys for this thread. I do have a Classics Super Grade in .30-06. Not one of the custom shop models. Mine is # G2470xxx with black fore end and 4 screw sling swivel bases. It does have Classics Super Grade on the barrel and a plain floor plate, no engraving on it. The cross bolts have engraving on them. The wood is pretty good but not super fancy, just some nice figure. The bluing is very good with a lot of shine. It is a very nice rifle. I learned a lot about the Classics from this thread.
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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #16014826 04/21/21
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Regarding the magnum chamberings of these early SG's sans the black-tip/SG swivels, the magnums I've seen have 24" bbls vs. the 26" bbls that are supplied on the newer cataloged/production "Classic"/"Classic SG".


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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #16014840 04/21/21
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Never seen any post-64 SG with real SG swivels.


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The links provided clearly illustrate that SG swivels were not provided with these rifles.


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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #16016974 04/21/21
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For what it's worth WRT dating, the letter for G1318 (the latest i have a picture of) is a 338WM Custom SG and dated Mar 1991.

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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: Poconojack] #16017147 04/21/21
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Originally Posted by Poconojack



The links provided clearly illustrate that SG swivels were not provided with these rifles.



I said “Swivels”, I meant “swivel studs/mounts”, the part that’s jnletted into the stock.


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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #16017705 04/22/21
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One is expected to use Uncle Mike’s swivels on a SG?


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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #16265756 07/19/21
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Really nice 300 win mag currently listed in the classifieds without the black tip - SN 21xxx.
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Re: Winchester Modle 70 Super Grades without black foreand tip? [Re: BayouRover] #16266075 07/19/21
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https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/galleries/15511625#Post15511625

I'm the guy who posted this ad a while back. As you can see the serial number is G16675. My friend talked to the guy who traded it to him and he bought it new in this configuration. He had no interest in the paperwork if there were any and made no effort to save it. We have no doubt that this rifle has not been altered in any way. FWIW
Phil

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