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21 CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, the current influenza vaccine has been 45% effective overall against 2019-2020 seasonal influenza A and B viruses. Specifically, the flu vaccine has been 50% effective against influenza B/Victoria viruses and 37% effective against influenza A(H1N1)pdm09.Feb 26, 2020
Length of Protection
Smallpox vaccination provides full immunity for 3 to 5 years and decreasing immunity thereafter. If a person is vaccinated again later, immunity lasts even longer. Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated.
Type of infectious agent: Virus
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We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it. You don't see a difference, do you? How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better? How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better? If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people. No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard? And how do you know the vaccine is accomplishing anything? How do you know it isn't? I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know? On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed.
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We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it. You don't see a difference, do you? How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better? How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better? If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people. No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard? when's the last time someone was told they couldn't go somewhere or utilize a specific service if they opted out of chemo?
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We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it. You don't see a difference, do you? How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better? How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better? If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people. No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard? My guess is that the guy you're talking to has enough intelligence to spell "herd" correctly and doesn't suck dick. Thus, two things better than you. FO.
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Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms ! How would you know? A lot of positive people, are asymptomatic. Oh that doesn’t matter remember? You’re still a spreader. Even if you have the vaccine. LOL You're automatically a spreader if you don't wear a MASK. Murderer! Lol!
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VDS
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We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it. You don't see a difference, do you? How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better? How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better? If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people. No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard? And how do you know the vaccine is accomplishing anything? How do you know it isn't? I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know? On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed. Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right?
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https://www.wfla.com/community/heal...id-cases-spike-criticizes-mask-mandates/“Here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”
The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season.”
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
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[quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=wabigoon]We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it. You don't see a difference, do you? How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better? How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better? If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people. No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know? On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed. Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right? Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted. Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad. Just fwiw.
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https://www.wfla.com/community/heal...id-cases-spike-criticizes-mask-mandates/“Here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”
The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season.” Interesting, Squidge.
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He thinks that cancer is a communicable disease. Well, his main protein source is semen so...
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[quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=wabigoon]We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it. You don't see a difference, do you? How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better? How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better? If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people. No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know? On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed. Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right? Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted. Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad. Just fwiw. That is in states with the lowest vaccination rates, ie red states. Also, what isn't mentioned in the original post about Israel is that in January 2021, 10,000 people were being diagnosed with covid a day and right now it is around 800 which is 1/12 the number it was back in January. Also, hospitalizations were 2000 a day in January and they are 120 a day now. It also does not mention that Israel reported a decrease in the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in preventing infections and symptomatic illness but said it remained highly effective in preventing serious illness.
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He thinks that cancer is a communicable disease. No, I think you are an idiot. Its pretty obvious at this point,.
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[quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=wabigoon]We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better? If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people. No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know? On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed. Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right? Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted. Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad. Just fwiw. That is in states with the lowest vaccination rates, ie red states. Also, what isn't mentioned in the original post about Israel is that in January 2021, 10,000 people were being diagnosed with covid a day and right now it is around 800 which is 1/12 the number it was back in January. Also, hospitalizations were 2000 a day in January and they are 120 a day now. It also does not mention that Israel reported a decrease in the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in preventing infections and symptomatic illness but said it remained highly effective in preventing serious illness. Jim, the several articles on this in today’s newspaper made no mention of Red States only. They referred to nationwide and abroad. Again, only fwiw. The actual truths and meaningful data are just a bit hard to come by and has been so since the onset. But that’s just stating the obvious.
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When are some of you going to realize Senator Johnson is lying to you. He totally change the actually report from Israel. It actually said 84% of the COVID-19
deaths were from unvaccinated or from those with only one vaccination. Not that 84% of deaths had been from those who had been vaccinated. In the rest of the story the Phizer vaccine prevented
vaccine prevented 94% of the Symptoms of COVID-19 and 92% of the serious illnesses. The Pfizer Vaccine in Israel has prevented 96% of the COVID-19 deaths in that country. Big difference from what Senator Johnson was trying to tell you.
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He thinks that cancer is a communicable disease. No, I think you are an idiot. Its pretty obvious at this point,. Then I guess we should expect a viral disease to burn through on it's own? Kill the weakest at first? It's almost as if it's following the same Mother Nature playbook as it did during the Spanish flu et al breakouts. Luckily we destroyed a nation and an economy for the same end result as if we hadn't done a thing. There might well be a lesson in there.
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Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted.
Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad.
Just fwiw.
Worldwide, there's a direct positive relationship between the rate of vaccinations and the rate of deaths (purportedly) from COVID19, i.e., those nations with the highest rates of full vaccination (while vigorously discouraging Ivermectin availability) are experiencing the highest rates of deaths from COVID19, and conversely, those nations with the lowest rates of full vaccination (particularly those nations that are making Ivermectin widely available) are experiencing the lowest rates of COVID19 deaths. The difference is dramatic.
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He thinks that cancer is a communicable disease. No, I think you are an idiot. Its pretty obvious at this point,. Then I guess we should expect a viral disease to burn through on it's own? Kill the weakest at first? It's almost as if it's following the same Mother Nature playbook as it did during the Spanish flu et al breakouts. Luckily we destroyed a nation and an economy for the same end result as if we hadn't done a thing. There might well be a lesson in there. Indeed.
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Hawkeye, you are totally incorrect. Look at my figures from Israel. They totally disprove what you are saying, and Senator Johnson.is saying.
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