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Re: Mule Deer's 9.3x62 data [Re: Eltorro] #16255391 07/15/21
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Originally Posted by Eltorro

Do you recall which one? Trying to develop some loads for the FS with AB


It was a Nosler factory load, which wouldn't be much use to you 15 years later.


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Re: Mule Deer's 9.3x62 data [Re: Mule Deer] #16256692 07/16/21
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Originally Posted by Eltorro

Do you recall which one? Trying to develop some loads for the FS with AB


It was a Nosler factory load, which wouldn't be much use to you 15 years later.

Any input on the 320 gr. Weldcore SP at ~ 2300 fps/24" Bbl., ahead of one of the IMR/H 4350 powders and CCI 200 primers?

Any performance value for North American Large/Dangerous game over Big Game/286 gr. A-frame/Oryx at ~ 2400 fps.?

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Have never tried the 320 with anything other than Big Game, which got around 2350 fps from the 23.6" (60com) barrel of my CZ 550. Have never hunted with the load, as have found 286's more than adequate--and of the 286's I've used the Partition penetrated deepest, so have mostly used it.

The Partition retains about as much weight as the bonded-core 286 Oryx and A-Frame, but doesn't open as widely, which is the other major factor in penetration aside from retained weight. Have also used the 250 TSX, which doesn't penetrate quite as deeply as the 286 Partition in my media testing, but comes very close. In more open country I prefer using 250s loaded to around 2650, since they have a trajectory very similar to the 180-grain .30-06 and 270-grain .375 H&H loads, a definite advantage beyond 200 yards.




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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Have never tried the 320 with anything other than Big Game, which got around 2350 fps from the 23.6" (60com) barrel of my CZ 550. Have never hunted with the load, as have found 286's more than adequate--and of the 286's I've used the Partition penetrated deepest, so have mostly used it.

The Partition retains about as much weight as the bonded-core 286 Oryx and A-Frame, but doesn't open as widely, which is the other major factor in penetration aside from retained weight. Have also used the 250 TSX, which doesn't penetrate quite as deeply as the 286 Partition in my media testing, but comes very close. In more open country I prefer using 250s loaded to around 2650, since they have a trajectory very similar to the 180-grain .30-06 and 270-grain .375 H&H loads, a definite advantage beyond 200 yards.



Thanks MD.

Will keep the NP/TSX in mind, but as is, am stocked w/ Hot-Cor, Oryx, and A-Frames for field loads.

Thinkin' about a dedicated woods/stopping round. The 320 Weldcore SP looked right.

Will also stick w/ the Big Game powder, common w/ the other 270-286 gr. bullets.




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It's lookin' like ~ 2260 fps MV for the 320 gr RNSP Weldcore is about right for a woods/stopping round.

W/ the recommended impact velocity of 2200-2000, and a minimum of 1800?

It hits those numbers at 25, 100, and 200 yds, respectively.


Thinkin' that maybe Varget might be a better powder for this mid-power loading.

Thoughts?




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If that's what you want to do with the 9.3x62, then be my guest. After using it for 20 years on game up to 1200-1500 pounds, I've yet to find a need for a special close-range load, since 250-286 grain bullets worked just fine at sub-100 yard ranges.


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JB. I trust your opinion that the 9.3x62 is a great cartridge but it seems to me that it’s handicapped by not being the legal minimum caliber in most of Africa for dangerous game and more gun than needed for most other hunting but at the same time not flat enough shooting compared to a 300 magnum for larger non dangerous game at longer ranges. It’s more of a political thing than a fault of the cartridge but given that what are your preferred hunting uses for the 9.3x62? I can see it nocking the snot out of an elk or moose at moderate range but you would be limiting your effective range compared to some other lighter rifles with less recoil. It seems like it’s great niche would be as a dual purpose larger plains game and dangerous game cartridge but it’s legally limited in what it can do there.

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Actually, the 9.3x62 is more generally "legal" in African than generally supposed--partly because local regs are rather loose. I was given the go-ahead to use mine on buffalo by the "game ranger" when hunting in the Selous in Tanzania in 2011 (where its supposedly not legal), partly because he'd seen how well it worked on bigger plains game. I'd already taken one buffalo with my .416 Rigby, so started carrying the 9.3 instead--but did not find a bigger bull so didn't pull the trigger. (Did find one with a broken horn. Probably should have culled him, but that's hindsight.)

Since acquiring my CZ 9.3x62 around 20 years ago, neither my .338 Winchester Magnum or .375 H&H (both on commercial Mauser actions) have gotten any use, since I have found the 9.3 at least as effective with 250+ grain bullets on the same sorts of game, with noticeably less recoil.

Locally I tend to carry it more these days, because we have far more grizzlies than we used to. Plus, it holds 5 rounds in the magazine, instead of the typical 3 of .338s, .375s or other magnums. This might never make a difference, but there it is.


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BUT, MD, it MIGHT make a diff

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PS: those 2 xtra rounds would be comforting if nothing ele.

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Originally Posted by jwall
PS: those 2 xtra rounds would be comforting if nothing ele.

Jerry


PPS, plus, the 9.3x62 feeds quicker and smoother than about any other cartridge i've fooled with. smile

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Makes sense. Thanks for the feedback guys and detailed explanation JB.

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Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
JB. I trust your opinion that the 9.3x62 is a great cartridge but it seems to me that it’s handicapped by not being the legal minimum caliber in most of Africa for dangerous game and more gun than needed for most other hunting but at the same time not flat enough shooting compared to a 300 magnum for larger non dangerous game at longer ranges. It’s more of a political thing than a fault of the cartridge but given that what are your preferred hunting uses for the 9.3x62? I can see it nocking the snot out of an elk or moose at moderate range but you would be limiting your effective range compared to some other lighter rifles with less recoil. It seems like it’s great niche would be as a dual purpose larger plains game and dangerous game cartridge but it’s legally limited in what it can do there.


The 9.3x62 not only has replaced my .375 generally, but it's such a great general purpose chambering I've come to think of it as my "Alaska '06". With 286's it basically becomes a six shot .375 and I've had some times where I used up those six rounds. With 250's it shoots plenty flat for any purpose myself or many other hunters need a big game rifle for.

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Anyone who thinks the 9.3x62 doesn’t shoot flat enough or pack enough wallop @ 400-500 yds is spending too much time on the internet instead of shootin and huntin . If you actually use it you know it simply works close or far.works. Get off the couch. 😜

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Having used the 9.3X62 since the late 1970s, I'm actually smiling while reading today's posts in this thread. Just turned 78 on July 4th, and for the first few years of my hunting career I was a committed 375 H&H fan for really big game. It shot just as flat as the 30-06 and punched much harder. However the 20 inch MarkX carbine I carried while guiding had two faults, the recoil was more than deliberately obnoxious, and the muzzle blast deafening. Well do I remember the day I fired it beside a really big spruce tree. The blast reflected off the trunk of that tree was scary, and my left ear rang for an hour!

My first 9.3X62 was quite an eye-opener. It shot just as flat, dropped an amazing number of everything, including wounded bears where they stood, and was remarkably easy to shoot better because it kicked much less. At least it seemed to, and the rifle weighed more than a pound less than the 375s I had. Best of all, It held five in the magazine!

Tried hard to keep them, but sold my last two 375s this year. Have told a lot of people the 9.3X62 is a 375 with five in the magazine. smile

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Originally Posted by Texson2
Anyone who thinks the 9.3x62 doesn’t shoot flat enough or pack enough wallop @ 400-500 yds is spending too much time on the internet instead of shootin and huntin . If you actually use it you know it simply works close or far.works. Get off the couch. 😜

Assuming that’s directed towards me. I don’t spend much time on the couch. Time, money, and family constraints (daughters in travel soccer a son in travel baseball) work and a wife hold me back from traveling to places where I can put a 9.3x62 to good use and compare it to a .375 H&H but I dig learning and reading about the experiences of those who can in between my local range and hunting trips.

Re: Mule Deer's 9.3x62 data [Re: Mule Deer] #16272758 07/22/21
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
If that's what you want to do with the 9.3x62, then be my guest. After using it for 20 years on game up to 1200-1500 pounds, I've yet to find a need for a special close-range load, since 250-286 grain bullets worked just fine at sub-100 yard ranges.

Yes, I do.

For the woods, and maybe the bottom two or three rounds in the open, under the Hot-Cor load.

This 2260 fps/MV load has the 320 gr. RN Weldcore's recommended impact velocity (2200-2000) bracketed at 25-100 yds, and hits the 1800 minimum impact velocity just past 200.

Perfect for the woods and close-in trouble.

And, w/ an SD of .341, slow and heavy is reassuringly effective in close.


Do you think 58 gn. of Varget will fit under a 320 gr. RN Weldcore?

Figgerin' 57-58 to make my numbers.

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Winchester could likely make a dollar if they chambered this in the Featherweight with a 24" barrel.
Worked for the 7x57, why not a 9.3? (With a red decelerator pad of course)

Or....why not a regular Super Grade featherweight version? Premium walnut and Red pad also.


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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
Winchester could likely make a dollar if they chambered this in the Featherweight with a 24" barrel.
Worked for the 7x57, why not a 9.3? (With a red decelerator pad of course)

Or....why not a regular Super Grade featherweight version? Premium walnut and Red pad also.

Ruger/Lipsey's made a pretty good run at it a while back.

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W/ the 24" ltwt profile Bbl., it's a very well balanced field rifle.




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Originally Posted by Garandimal


Perfect for the woods and close-in trouble.


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What close in trouble do you expect to encounter?

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