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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...wboy_Guns&utm_content=20210722152847

The hard truth.

It's time for the Republican Party to begin disconnecting itself from former President Donald Trump.

This doesn’t mean the party should denounce the former president — that won’t happen. He’s too popular with Republican voters. But it does mean quietly removing the GOP from under Trump's thumb.

This conclusion is based on simple math, the kind with which one plus one equals two. Since 2016, the GOP has felt an obligation to Trump. After all, he beat Hillary Clinton. Republicans also felt indebted to him for championing their issues, appointing hundreds of conservative judges, and challenging the Left.

To pay that debt, Republican voters and elected officials showed fealty to Trump throughout four tumultuous years in office and his bumpy reelection campaign. They defended his most erratic behavior, even when it made them uncomfortable. They put their necks on the line to support his claims of a stolen election, even when there was no moderately substantial evidence to back them up. Here’s the bottom line: The Republican Party has paid its debt to Trump. It must now shift focus away from him and the 2020 election, an election they lost, and concentrate on 2022 and 2024, elections they can win.

There is no better proof than the two Senate runoffs in Georgia. Republican incumbents were positioned to win both but got tangled up in Trump’s personal politics and were defeated. The ramifications have been enormous: Senate control went to the Democrats. Sometimes, politics ain’t beanbag.

Republicans have a chance at regaining a U.S. House majority next year and a longer, but possible, shot at taking over the Senate. To do either, the party needs to strengthen its appeal beyond Trump’s base. Specifically, it needs to do better with independents, suburban women, and voters with college degrees. For example, Trump’s negative rating among college-educated white women is 62%, based on a recent YouGov poll. That’s heavy baggage to carry.

While it may be good politics for Republicans in pro-Trump states and districts to run as the "Trump candidate," that strategy is less likely to work in battleground states — from Pennsylvania to Arizona, North Carolina to Michigan, New Hampshire to Wisconsin — where independents can tip the balance.

Let’s not forget that Trump won the White House by beating Clinton among independents by a 4-point margin. Four years later, he lost the White House by losing independents to Joe Biden by 13 points.

If Democrats think they can hold Congress with only the votes of their party’s left-leaning base, that will prove to be as wrong as Republicans who think they can win back Congress with only votes from Trump’s populist-right base. Ultimately, cross-pressured voters who dislike Democrats and Republicans, Biden and Trump, will determine which side wins.

Republicans need to be mindful that some of the candidates Trump will be pushing in the 2022 primaries aren’t always the strongest possible contenders against Democrats in the general election.

To triumph in 2024, the Republican presidential nominee needs to offer new policies built on facts and well-thought-out reform ideas. Trump can’t do that. A new face can. A recent poll conducted by the Republican firm Fabrizio, Lee & Associates finds that 53% of GOP voters have some resistance to renominating Trump in 2024, even though most of them are strongly favorable toward him. Trump led the field of possible Republican candidates by a 47%-40% margin.

If the next elections are about relitigating Trump’s grievances, Republicans lose. Republicans win if the elections are about policies that work to their advantage. With Trump as candidate or kingmaker, he becomes the central issue. That denies conservatives a clean shot on issues important to them, such as border security, crime, spending, taxes, cancel culture, and possibly inflation and foreign policy.

That’s why Republicans, including Trump’s strongest supporters, need to remove their former standard-bearer as a distraction. Of course, it’s easier for me, a political independent with no stake in either party’s success, to make that case than it is for Republicans to actually do it. But if they want to win, they need to start disconnecting now before it’s too late.

And if they don’t? Perhaps these three words — President Kamala Harris — will ring a bell.

Ron Faucheux is a nonpartisan political analyst, pollster, and publisher of Lunchtime Politics, a newsletter on polls.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...wboy_Guns&utm_content=20210722152847

The hard truth.

It's time for the Republican Party to begin disconnecting itself from former President Donald Trump.

This doesn’t mean the party should denounce the former president — that won’t happen. He’s too popular with Republican voters. But it does mean quietly removing the GOP from under Trump's thumb.

This conclusion is based on simple math, the kind with which one plus one equals two. Since 2016, the GOP has felt an obligation to Trump. After all, he beat Hillary Clinton. Republicans also felt indebted to him for championing their issues, appointing hundreds of conservative judges, and challenging the Left.

To pay that debt, Republican voters and elected officials showed fealty to Trump throughout four tumultuous years in office and his bumpy reelection campaign. They defended his most erratic behavior, even when it made them uncomfortable. They put their necks on the line to support his claims of a stolen election, even when there was no moderately substantial evidence to back them up. Here’s the bottom line: The Republican Party has paid its debt to Trump. It must now shift focus away from him and the 2020 election, an election they lost, and concentrate on 2022 and 2024, elections they can win.

There is no better proof than the two Senate runoffs in Georgia. Republican incumbents were positioned to win both but got tangled up in Trump’s personal politics and were defeated. The ramifications have been enormous: Senate control went to the Democrats. Sometimes, politics ain’t beanbag.

Republicans have a chance at regaining a U.S. House majority next year and a longer, but possible, shot at taking over the Senate. To do either, the party needs to strengthen its appeal beyond Trump’s base. Specifically, it needs to do better with independents, suburban women, and voters with college degrees. For example, Trump’s negative rating among college-educated white women is 62%, based on a recent YouGov poll. That’s heavy baggage to carry.

While it may be good politics for Republicans in pro-Trump states and districts to run as the "Trump candidate," that strategy is less likely to work in battleground states — from Pennsylvania to Arizona, North Carolina to Michigan, New Hampshire to Wisconsin — where independents can tip the balance.

Let’s not forget that Trump won the White House by beating Clinton among independents by a 4-point margin. Four years later, he lost the White House by losing independents to Joe Biden by 13 points.

If Democrats think they can hold Congress with only the votes of their party’s left-leaning base, that will prove to be as wrong as Republicans who think they can win back Congress with only votes from Trump’s populist-right base. Ultimately, cross-pressured voters who dislike Democrats and Republicans, Biden and Trump, will determine which side wins.

Republicans need to be mindful that some of the candidates Trump will be pushing in the 2022 primaries aren’t always the strongest possible contenders against Democrats in the general election.

To triumph in 2024, the Republican presidential nominee needs to offer new policies built on facts and well-thought-out reform ideas. Trump can’t do that. A new face can. A recent poll conducted by the Republican firm Fabrizio, Lee & Associates finds that 53% of GOP voters have some resistance to renominating Trump in 2024, even though most of them are strongly favorable toward him. Trump led the field of possible Republican candidates by a 47%-40% margin.

If the next elections are about relitigating Trump’s grievances, Republicans lose. Republicans win if the elections are about policies that work to their advantage. With Trump as candidate or kingmaker, he becomes the central issue. That denies conservatives a clean shot on issues important to them, such as border security, crime, spending, taxes, cancel culture, and possibly inflation and foreign policy.

That’s why Republicans, including Trump’s strongest supporters, need to remove their former standard-bearer as a distraction. Of course, it’s easier for me, a political independent with no stake in either party’s success, to make that case than it is for Republicans to actually do it. But if they want to win, they need to start disconnecting now before it’s too late.

And if they don’t? Perhaps these three words — President Kamala Harris — will ring a bell.

Ron Faucheux is a nonpartisan political analyst, pollster, and publisher of Lunchtime Politics, a newsletter on polls.


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Ron Faucheux sounds like another pollster who doesn’t know wtf is really going on in people’s minds and isn’t curious enough to try and figure it out.


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This is the key passage for me: "To triumph in 2024, the Republican presidential nominee needs to offer new policies built on facts and well-thought-out reform ideas. Trump can’t do that. A new face can."

That's the problem. "New faces" will actually be the same old faces that gave power to the left, like Romney, McCain, Cheney, Bush, etc. (the type of candidates that have run before and who people like AKPenis, a self described Republican, doesn't know enough about to decide whether he'd support them).

Trump was the only President in my life, including Reagan, who actually did what he said he'd do and did it to fulfill his campaign promise to make American great again.

If the GOP candidate in 2024 is the type of new face like the idiots who lost in 2008 and 2012, and who won in 1988, 2000 and 2004, I'll be sitting out the election.


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Screw the Republican party!!!

They are the reason we are where we are today. They’ll never get a nickel from me.

Democrats are worse, but just barely.

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This article is a text book liberal tactic. They all know millions of us are still with President Trump and will stay that way. 4 years of tumult under Trump? How about brought to us by the most corrupt hate America party ever to be known. Just so anyone might wonder, the democrats with added help from rinos. They tried to separate us from Trump and when they failed there they tried to ruin his time in office and that failed. What didn't fail is the theft of the election.
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Or maybe Evan McMullin....didn't he score big in Utah??


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Originally Posted by Remsen
This is the key passage for me: "To triumph in 2024, the Republican presidential nominee needs to offer new policies built on facts and well-thought-out reform ideas. Trump can’t do that. A new face can."

That's the problem. "New faces" will actually be the same old faces that gave power to the left, like Romney, McCain, Cheney, Bush, etc. (the type of candidates that have run before and who people like AKPenis, a self described Republican, doesn't know enough about to decide whether he'd support them).

Trump was the only President in my life, including Reagan, who actually did what he said he'd do and did it to fulfill his campaign promise to make American great again.

If the GOP candidate in 2024 is the type of new face like the idiots who lost in 2008 and 2012, and who won in 1988, 2000 and 2004, I'll be sitting out the election.


Trump's narcissistic, juvenile behavior put Biden in the Whitehouse. Large numbers of white, male voters got sick of his immature, boorish behavior and said so at the polls. Trump giveth and he taketh away. Anne Coulter has been dead on on this issue.

https://news.yahoo.com/ann-coulter-blames-gigantic-pussy-224927277.html

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Originally Posted by DMc
Not on your life. I'd rather disconnect from the Republican Party.


Yep.

They keep cramming Nikki Haley and Little Marco down our throats and it'll happen too...

Trump is just a man. But what support he got because he kept promises and loved his country, needs to be a huge movement!


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Originally Posted by callnum
And the trumpsters wept.


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Originally Posted by callnum
And the trumpsters wept.



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Originally Posted by DMc
Not on your life. I'd rather disconnect from the Republican Party.

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