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Here's a very relevant portion of your quote from VAERS. This database is constantly being cited by anti-vaxxers without any regard to the complexities involved in analysing the data. The vast majority of the 'events' listed are likely to be unrelated to vaccines as you have to do the follow up on the entries and compare the results to the expected numbers of such events in an unvaccinated population. There have been some statistical anomalies indicating very rare clotting problems with the J&J and Astrazeneca vaccines as well as even more rare possible cases of myocarditis (generally mild and eminently treatable) from Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The data currently indicates that the vaccines are thousands of times safer than taking your chances with the disease. Anyone quoting 'only a 1% death rate' for covid should compare that to the less than 0.0019% death rate for the vaccine. I say less than because that number includes a number of deaths for which causation hasn't been proven.

Hawk, shaking my head, if your statements on this point are as far off base as everything you state concerning the C-19 vaccines. Your thoughts should be taken with about a pound of salt.

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Just a thought from a layman. We have always known the S-spike protein was toxic. That is why C-19 makes you sick.

The question becomes: how many spike protein molecules are produced in the body by the vaccine vs produced by the virus? Where do they accumulate in either case? How long do they survive in the body after injection or infection?

Fiubarski, you’re cute. Keep on being’ you, man…

Please be clear: we are NOT at the point of being able to lift social isolation/quarantine yet. People who disregard the measures in place are unquestionably hastening the spread of the epidemic, and putting our nation's hospitals at risk of being overwhelmed. So keep doing the positive things, my friends, and wait for the smart guys to figure this out. I am confident they will.

Use that to do a Google search

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Bowman, I haven’t heard Weinstein’s podcast, but he is a highly respected scientist and his concern bears scrutiny. I haven’t read anywhere in the literature about the S-protein being expressed in ovaries, but it makes sense it would show up in bone marrow (which is in large part made up of nascent leukocytes, which are the target tissue for the mRNA vaccine).

I’m not sure why anyone would refer to the S-protein as toxic. It has been shown to bind to Angiotensin receptors, which is how the virus gains entry into cells. This binding is not reversible, so the cell’s machinery breaks down the receptor-ligand complex into its component amino acids and recycles them. I am not aware of any research showing a prolonged effect that damages human cells by this or any other mechanism of the S-protein. And there has been a LOT of research on the S-protein

Another important question to be asked on this issue is how long the spike proteins persist in these tissues, and what sorts of effects do they have on those tissues? Proteins and their components (peptide chains) don’t hang around forever; in fact, the immune system recognizes them as foreign material and demolishes them quickly. Does the research show them hanging around for more than a few hours or days? This would be very surprising if found to be the case.

I don’t have answers to these questions, but if Weinstein et al. have been correct, then I’m sure some good bench scientists are looking for them.

There has been a lot of rumor in the popular press about the S-protein being a toxic agent in and of itself, but I have seen ZERO evidence of this in the medical literature. I just did a quick Google sweep on it this morning, and from what I can tell a single journalist (Japanese) made this claim a few months ago based on a single sentence in a Pfizer internal document that was apparently taken out of context by the journalist.

Several expert panels have addressed this since then, and all have said it’s bunk. These are not Pfizer staff, or government people… they’re research scientists who make their living knowing this stuff.

The S-protein is what the SARS-CoV2 virus uses to gain entry to human cells. It’s a key to a lock, not a poison. Furthermore, there does not appear to be any evidence that the vaccine spike proteins accumulate anywhere. The vaccine stays almost completely in the site of the injection, and your immune system cells attack it and take it up at the site. The S-proteins are expressed on the surface of the vaccinated leukocytes as part of the antibody generating process and are not tossed out into the bloodstream, as some people imagine. After a period of time the cells in question are broken down and the excess proteins are recycled.

When the immune system detects a spike protein in the body it binds to it and destroys it and the viral particle it is attached to. The viruses and the spike proteins are broken down immediately. Intact viral proteins, whether from the CoV2 i virus or any other, do not accumulate anywhere. The body destroys them and reuses the components.

The simple fact that congress gave the pharms a pass on liability scares me enough to stay away.

If the vaccination works, why do the vaccinated care so much about those who aren’t?

Congress did that back in the Reagan years. It applies to this current situation but it was not done to prepare for the current situation.

Tom

I turned 70 in January and I'm diabetic. I had Covid-19 last year in November, my wife also. My mother which resides in a nursing home also contracted Covid-19. We all recovered without hospitalization and none of us have any lasting effects. My brother is 2 years younger and has asthma had Covid-19, he needed breathing treatments but no hospitalization and no lingering effects.


My mother took the vaccine. My wife and I will not and my brother did not

Interesting anecdote. My counter is this: an older friend lives in a nursing home in Yakima, Washington. They were one of the first outbreaks of COVID. Fully 1/3 of the residents in the facility died along with 2-3 staff members. He has either had it twice or had a long-delayed relapse. He reports that he is doing pretty well now, no long term effects but that is not true for his friends who died.

Tom

Interesting anecdote. My counter is this: an older friend lives in a nursing home in Yakima, Washington. They were one of the first outbreaks of COVID. Fully 1/3 of the residents in the facility died along with 2-3 staff members. He has either had it twice or had a long-delayed relapse. He reports that he is doing pretty well now, no long term effects but that is not true for his friends who died.

Tom