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I have both 308 and 30-06 ,I like each for what is and what it will do differently than the other. Diversity is the strength of my collection. Piss on anyone that doesn't like that. You all have a nice saturday. Mb

WFT, are you a ventriloquist, or just arguing with yourself?

Ah yes, the clown is here. Point out the inferiority of the .30-06 and he comes out of the woodwork every time...

All you really need to know is the .308 AI is a superior cartridge to the .30-06. You're too stupid to attempt to understand why

Whatever you say, bob. The only thing I can see the inferiority of is your logic. Tossing out comparisons of factory loads and then saying they're irrelevant.

I didn't expect you to get it. I just expected you to come in and dance like the clown you are because the .30-06 came out behind again

In 24" barrels, a common 165 ish gr hunting bullet, operating at SAAMI pressures in both .308 and '06...gives the '06 a hundred yard advantage, but 24" .308's are not common, so if you compare 22", then the '06 pulls ahead...would an animal know the difference? I don't know, but I don't have huge confidence whacking an excited elk at 200 yards with a 2100 fps impact velocity. Yeah, you can go with some new powders and push the envelope a little in the .308...but you are still trying to catch up to the obsolete '06. But, I admit a 1/2" longer action and bolt throw is a huge disadvantage...grin.

You can always count on anyone advocating for the .30-06 to have all sorts of misinformation. You're no exception.

.308 AI shooting the 200gr Terminal Ascent. The top temp-insensitive powder is H4350 and velocity out of a 22" is right about 2600 at max load. It doesn't hit 2100 ft/s until 450 yards at elk elevation, and that's with a 200gr not some piddly 165. Not that it matters much, since the bullet is designed to work all the way down to 1350 ft/s.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

I got it alright bob. And what I've got is, you're as FOS as a Christmas turkey.

LB, what is the case capacity of your 308 WCF AI in H2O? Also, how many grains of H4350 are you applying as Max Load? BTW you know P.O. Ackley considered the improving of the 308 WCF a worthless endeavor stating that consideration to do so presented no discernible advantage over the standard in powder capacity or noticeable increase in velocity. In fact he stated in his findings it was due to the lack of tapering on the standard, that being only 0.016”. So if you can get 2,600 fps out of a 200 gr. bullet with a BC of .608 (the Ascent, that’s a long .30 cal bullet) in a 22-inch barrel from a 308 WCF AI, whereby shorter (less BC) bullets out of the 308 Win barely scratch 2,400 fps I’d like to know how you do it. Seriously.

Yeah the 7-08, or 7x57 have limits, especially ammo supply. An unfortunate problem for sure, and across most ammo. I quit handloading awhile ago as I don't shoot much anymore. But the 7mm is about the sweet spot for most uses.

Something like 59.5gr H20 fired with Lapua brass. I don't have my notebook in front of me, but I think there's an OBT node at 47.9gr of H4350 and about 2590 ft/s for a 22". That puts transducer pressure at about 63KPSI. Max is a little higher than that arguably in a modern rifle. I don't have my notebook handy so don't take that as gospel though - I could have flipped a couple numbers

Just to clarify....

I still like the 3006 and still have one and always will.

But in a lightweight rifle I just like the 308 a bit better.

Once again, this thread reveals those who actually have used the 308 on a variety of game, and those who pontificate ballistic gack on the internet.

I can't wait for more of that, it's scintillating.

Indeed - before opening this thread I had no idea the 308 Ai was superior to the 30-06.

One of the best rounds ever!

A favorite of mine, have the following: rugergsr .308, kimber hunter .308, Tikka 3x compact .308 and a springfield m1a

Brad, your problem is you never met a man as smart as llama bob.........

thinks he is.

^^^Yup, ain't it miraculous what another 2 grains of powder capacity can do in the hugely popular .308 Ackley"? ^^^^ According to one of my books, it's so miraculous, it escaped the development of PO Ackley himself, who opined, "it isn't worth doing considering the shape and volume of the .308 Win." Other people called it an Ackley because it had near no taper and 40 deg shoulder.
But, what the hell, if Bob's happy with it I am too. Like Bob told me, "you don't know what you're talking about". He's right, I thought we were talking about the .308 Win...one of the all time greats IMO.

308, 30-06.

IDGAS.

Long action, short action, blocked long action.
As long as it's not too heavy, it's good.

Prefer the 308 in a shorter barrel.
But really, blast difference isn't enough to say one is good, the other too loud.

Kinda like the whole argument.
Really not that much difference between them in anyway.

Even weight, if you keep apples to apples.
Scope/mount choice can offset weight difference.