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The title says it all. What is your selection of the most "recoil proof" RIFLE scope (that you have used)?
Share the reason "WHY?".
Share the rifle, the chambering, and load ( bullet weight and MV).
This does NOT mean the reason " why" is "because xxx scope has lasted 600 rounds fired on my such and such chambered rifle.". The " WHY? " means specific DESIGN FEATURES of the scope you are claiming being "recoil proof" or "tough."
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Leupold compact 2.5X. Weighs 6 oz that's why
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Well as for tough I have to say some of the old steel tube weavers could take a licking and stay sighted in. The 3 and 4 power K4's never let me down. Glass only so so.
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Whatever happened to the old Burris posi-lock? Seemed like a good solution. I liked the compact Burris scopes too but they were discontinued. I recall they had steel on steel adjustment and double springs. Have a 3x9 compact on a .338 WM. Haven't adjusted since sighting in about 25 years ago. Still hits two inches high at 100.
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The std Burris Signatures are battle tanks, and the Posi Lock were sure nuff a battle tank. I have a 3x12 Signature that has proven to be battle tough.
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I had a Remington Model 660 in 350 Remington Mag. I had a Redfield 2-7x32 on it that never had an issue. It now sits on a Marlin 1895XLR. Both generate plenty of recoil for me.
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Not truly a recoil test but I use a S&B PMII 6x42 that I did a drop test on....unintentionally. I'd venture that scopes that handle any type of "beating" well will carry over to recoil too. 6.5 CM, 129 gr, ~2750 fps....so not much on this one for recoil. Story/pics below: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14273537/s-b-6x42-pmii-drop-testI think the scope mentioned above is durable/recoil proof because of the following: 1. Quality build - well machined parts that are assembled well 2. Fixed power - less moving parts 3. No parallax - less moving parts 4. Lighter weight - compared to some, not all. Heavier scope = more moment of inertia(?)....lighter scope would be less. I use several NF NXS 2.5-10x42 (and x32) scopes on a variety of rifles from 375 Rugers to 223's. I think they are very recoil proof due to the following: 1. Quality build - same as above, also have "bonded" lenses....I'm not sure the details on this but NF thinks it's important. I believe NF also uses a thicker tube than most manufactures. 2. Lighter weight - again, for the type of scope. 3. Short tube and OAL length - a shorter scope of the same build quality "should" resist deformation more than a longer scope 4. NF testing I think reliability can be helped on any scope by mounting with rings spaced near the ends of the main body tube to reduce unsupported areas and make the levers "shorter". How much any or all of these matter I'm not sure but they're my "why" on design features.
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Michael McCourey, who used to be Michael458 on the AR forum, developed the 500 MDM and other heavy caliber wildcats. He has done thousands of rounds of testing and load development on these and other African-size rounds. He settled on the low-power Nikon scopes as the most tolerant of continuous heavy recoil.
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From a physical perspective, the whole concept of lighter scopes being more recoil proof is actually a bit of a fallacy. What damages things is acceleration. For a given amount and direction of recoil force, a lighter scope accelerates more and a heavier scope accelerates less. Heavier scopes have more inertia, which means that they are harder to accelerate. But that also means that they put more strain on the mounting system than a lighter scope. So heavier scopes are harder on mounting systems, but are more resistant to damage from recoil. Of course this assumes that a large part of the weight increase is in the tube and not lenses or other parts that also stress connection points and fastening methods within the scope. A simple analogy would be comparing the damage done by the acceleration of a child versus a large man when an identical force is applied (like a body check). The child would go flying across the room, while the large man might stumble back a little.
In terms of the most recoil-proof scope, I agree with JCM that most of the design features he mentioned would increase resistance to deformation and damage, and would add to the list the feature of having a small ocular and objective housing. By positioning the mass of the scope closer to the center of the scope tube, there is less torque applied on the tube. So with no way to qualify this, I would guess that the NF ATACR 1-8x is probably one of, if not the most recoil-proof scope on the market.
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From a physical perspective, the whole concept of lighter scopes being more recoil proof is actually a bit of a fallacy. What damages things is acceleration. For a given amount and direction of recoil force, a lighter scope accelerates more and a heavier scope accelerates less. Heavier scopes have more inertia, which means that they are harder to accelerate. But that also means that they put more strain on the mounting system than a lighter scope. So heavier scopes are harder on mounting systems, but are more resistant to damage from recoil. Of course this assumes that a large part of the weight increase is in the tube and not lenses or other parts that also stress connection points and fastening methods within the scope. A simple analogy would be comparing the damage done by the acceleration of a child versus a large man when an identical force is applied (like a body check). The child would go flying across the room, while the large man might stumble back a little.
In terms of the most recoil-proof scope, I agree with JCM that most of the design features he mentioned would increase resistance to deformation and damage, and would add to the list the feature of having a small ocular and objective housing. By positioning the mass of the scope closer to the center of the scope tube, there is less torque applied on the tube. So with no way to qualify this, I would guess that the NF ATACR 1-8x is probably one of, if not the most recoil-proof scope on the market. I think you are correct. In my stuff above any extra stress from weight related inertia (starting or stopping) would be on the mounts.
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From a physical perspective, the whole concept of lighter scopes being more recoil proof is actually a bit of a fallacy. What damages things is acceleration. For a given amount and direction of recoil force, a lighter scope accelerates more and a heavier scope accelerates less. Heavier scopes have more inertia, which means that they are harder to accelerate. But that also means that they put more strain on the mounting system than a lighter scope. So heavier scopes are harder on mounting systems, but are more resistant to damage from recoil. Of course this assumes that a large part of the weight increase is in the tube and not lenses or other parts that also stress connection points and fastening methods within the scope. A simple analogy would be comparing the damage done by the acceleration of a child versus a large man when an identical force is applied (like a body check). The child would go flying across the room, while the large man might stumble back a little.
In terms of the most recoil-proof scope, I agree with JCM that most of the design features he mentioned would increase resistance to deformation and damage, and would add to the list the feature of having a small ocular and objective housing. By positioning the mass of the scope closer to the center of the scope tube, there is less torque applied on the tube. So with no way to qualify this, I would guess that the NF ATACR 1-8x is probably one of, if not the most recoil-proof scope on the market. Crazy talk.... you Leupold hater you.... This is what an education will do to you.... ha
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Jordan, as you said a heavier scope puts more strain on the mounting system because of inertia but it’s the combined weight of the rifle and scope that determines how many g’s the system (scope included) will experience.
A given scope on a heavy rifle will be subjected to less acceleration/fewer g’s than the same scope on a light rifle.
On the other hand, on the same rifle, a light scope will be subjected to more g’s than a heavy scope because of the combined mass of the rifle + scope, not just the weight of the scope.
It’s similar to a question I ask our students. “In an ejection seat, who experiences more g’s, a light guy or a fat guy?” Intuitively you would think it would be the fat guy but the light guy will accelerate faster and experience more g’s and go higher.
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Jordan, as you said a heavier scope puts more strain on the mounting system because of inertia but it’s the combined weight of the rifle and scope that determines how many g’s the system (scope included) will experience.
A given scope on a heavy rifle will be subjected to less acceleration/fewer g’s than the same scope on a light rifle.
On the other hand, on the same rifle, a light scope will be subjected to more g’s than a heavy scope because of the combined mass of the rifle + scope, not just the weight of the scope.
It’s similar to a question I ask our students. “In an ejection seat, who experiences more g’s, a light guy or a fat guy?” Intuitively you would think it would be the fat guy but the light guy will accelerate faster and experience more g’s and go higher. Yes, exactly.
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From a physical perspective, the whole concept of lighter scopes being more recoil proof is actually a bit of a fallacy. What damages things is acceleration. For a given amount and direction of recoil force, a lighter scope accelerates more and a heavier scope accelerates less. Heavier scopes have more inertia, which means that they are harder to accelerate. But that also means that they put more strain on the mounting system than a lighter scope. So heavier scopes are harder on mounting systems, but are more resistant to damage from recoil. Of course this assumes that a large part of the weight increase is in the tube and not lenses or other parts that also stress connection points and fastening methods within the scope. A simple analogy would be comparing the damage done by the acceleration of a child versus a large man when an identical force is applied (like a body check). The child would go flying across the room, while the large man might stumble back a little.
In terms of the most recoil-proof scope, I agree with JCM that most of the design features he mentioned would increase resistance to deformation and damage, and would add to the list the feature of having a small ocular and objective housing. By positioning the mass of the scope closer to the center of the scope tube, there is less torque applied on the tube. So with no way to qualify this, I would guess that the NF ATACR 1-8x is probably one of, if not the most recoil-proof scope on the market. Crazy talk.... you Leupold hater you.... This is what an education will do to you.... ha LOL. Blame the laws of physics, not me.
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My experience has been best when I just keep my recoil reasonably low. Thus if I really don't need it I don't shoot shoot the higher recoil stuff. 6.5 Grendel & 6mm Arc are my higher recoil guns for the past 5 years. Then the scope choice is less critical I suppose. The area I hunt consist of whitetail maybe a mule deer if I venture out west a fair bit & as far as dangerous game Cougar / Mountain lion is a very rare sighting by nearly anyone in my stomping grounds. So 30 grains of propellant pushing projectiles generally less than 129 grains or so just gets the job done quite handily with out much fuss.
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Just pick anything with a long track record of success on 50 BMGs. Swarovski made a 10x42 specifically for that purpose. The SWFA fixed power and Nightforce NXS have done very well. So has the Leupold MkIV.
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I am by no means an expert on this subject, as the other posters I'm sure have more experience than I do. So, I can only comment on what I have experienced. In my limited battery of scopes, the most durable (and recoil proof) scope I own would have to be an old Leupold FX-III 6x42. It has withstood years of use on rifles with muzzle breaks (very hard on scopes) . It even survived a fall from a 20' treestand (no, the rifle was not yet loaded) where it hit a cypress knee. The main tube was scratched and slightly dented but all I had to do was resight it and it was good to go. A few years ago it finally started fogging up but a trip to Leupold solved that. I have other scopes (all fixed power like a S&B 8x56, Leupold FX3 6x42, IOR 4X and Weaver Grand Slam 4.75x40) that in theory may well be just as durable but these haven't yet seen the use of the FX-III 6x42. As you can see, I am not a Leupold fanatic but merely reporting what I have experienced. YMMV.
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Just pick anything with a long track record of success on 50 BMGs. Swarovski made a 10x42 specifically for that purpose. The SWFA fixed power and Nightforce NXS have done very well. So has the Leupold MkIV. The Schmidt & Bender has been mounted on top of the Barret Light 50 from early on. It also has a reputation for reliability by our snipers. It is a survivor also.
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The scope that has tolerated the recoil of .300 Weatherby shooting 180 gr loads, .35 Whelen with 225 gr loads, and 7mm Weatherby with 150 gr loads has been a Sightron S-II 3-9x42. It is my true scope for working through accuracy issues. I’m sure there are others just as good.
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My experience has been best when I just keep my recoil reasonably low. Thus if I really don't need it I don't shoot shoot the higher recoil stuff. 6.5 Grendel & 6mm Arc are my higher recoil guns for the past 5 years. Then the scope choice is less critical I suppose. The area I hunt consist of whitetail maybe a mule deer if I venture out west a fair bit & as far as dangerous game Cougar / Mountain lion is a very rare sighting by nearly anyone in my stomping grounds. So 30 grains of propellant pushing projectiles generally less than 129 grains or so just gets the job done quite handily with out much fuss.
Your milage may vary. I’ve begun to see that light, not so much for scope longevity, but simple economics. A Grendel-class round squeezes about 60 more loads out of a pound of powder and barrel life should never be an issue for most. Still have a few rifles for “standard” rounds, but I’m headed towards my Grendel as my working gun, with a couple of 6mms for when I might need to go longer. Lighter guns are easier on granda’s legs too. The easy answer to tough scopes is a lot of heavy parts, but light ones can be tough too when well-designed with good innards. Obviously they’re also easier on mounts, and it’s the whole system that determines reliability.
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