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You're the Gold Medal Winner in the Pole Vaulting Mouse Turd's Olympic event...



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I wonder what a 308 would be like in the new savage straight pull rifle

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Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
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What's so moronic about a case with 56 grains of 4350 and a 180 grain bullet in it?


From a military perspective, the problem with the .30-06 is that the bore was too big and the case/OAL was too big. This was based on a combination of a mistaken belief in a need to stop cavalry charges and a mistaken belief that indirect fire from small arms was useful. The result was a cartridge that consumed at least 50% more resources than it should have to do a worse job than it could have. Interestingly both the Navy and the arsenal had clearly seen where things were going with the 6mm Navy and .276 Pedersen,. but the Army was stuck in the mud and got their way by sheer bull-headed stupidity.

From a hunting perspective, there are several problems:
- an inefficient shoulder and taper designed for machine gun use that increases recoil,. reduces velocity, and reduces case capacity
- an overly-small diameter that gives unneeded magazine capacity in trade for loss of case capacity
- an overly long case and overall length adding weight to both actions and barrels with no benefit
- a low MAP caused by weak rifles and excessive taper

Take that all together, and it's hard to imagine what a WORSE hunting cartridge of the same general case capacity and bore diameter would look like. I guess you could take a .30-06 and add an unnecessary belt and make it a little [bleep], but only a little.

The .308 is a better hunting round - better shoulder, better taper, shortened, better MAP. The .308 AI is a step better, improving the shoulder further, and the .300 WSM better still - finally fixing the case diameter problem.


After reading this I'm trading off my 30-06 immediately. The logic is irrefutable

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Originally Posted by Brad
You're the Gold Medal Winner in the Pole Vaulting Mouse Turd's Olympic event...



Nah, I think he came in 10th.

In a field of nine.

To listen to bob, the '06 is so inferior you can't kill anything with it.

Yet he's enamored with the .308 AI, which (as someone already pointed out) Ackley himself said was a waste of time.



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Wow! I never knew what a chitty cartridge the 30-06 is, probly just throw mine in the dump, seems thats about all its fit for 😁......Hb

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Wow! I never knew what a chitty cartridge the 30-06 is, probly just throw mine in the dump, seems thats about all its fit for 😁......Hb

Thats the conclusion I came to

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That's for sure smile

Agreed. An OP starts what appears to be a harmless thread extolling his opinion of the virtues of a specific cartridge and it turns into a "you suck" thread, as usual. I'll bet the OP looked at this recently, scratching his head, and thinking, "I just don't know what happened". To risk opening myself up to ridicule, it is definitely one of those which could be one's sole rifle.


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One of the best all-arounders. Respected everywhere & only questioned in the widest of wide open West…but with dials who even cares about that anymore.

Fine fine cartridge that simply does it’s job better than it is often expected, provided bullets are chosen appropriately of course. Plus those short little carbine rifles (Ruger 77 RL type) are the more modern version of handy & nimble like a M94 30-30 is and was.

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That's for sure smile

Agreed. An OP starts what appears to be a harmless thread extolling his opinion of the virtues of a specific cartridge and it turns into a "you suck" thread, as usual. I'll bet the OP looked at this recently, scratching his head, and thinking, "I just don't know what happened". To risk opening myself up to ridicule, it is definitely one of those which could be one's sole rifle.

Ones "sole" rifle cold be so many different cartridges. The 308 works fine, just as so many similar cartridges do. The 308 is like opinions and azzholes. Everyone has one..


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
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I used to come for the info - now I come for the entertainment.


That's for sure smile

Agreed. An OP starts what appears to be a harmless thread extolling his opinion of the virtues of a specific cartridge and it turns into a "you suck" thread, as usual. I'll bet the OP looked at this recently, scratching his head, and thinking, "I just don't know what happened". To risk opening myself up to ridicule, it is definitely one of those which could be one's sole rifle.

Ones "sole" rifle cold be so many different cartridges. The 308 works fine, just as so many similar cartridges do. The 308 is like opinions and azzholes. Everyone has one..

Agreed on all counts.


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Having to mess around with a 308 AI and see no appreciable difference in ballistics over the standard is fool hardy. The 308 Win will always be useful in every way in the game field, the 30-06 will always be a bit more useful on the heaviest of game. Nothings going to change that. Going to an Ackley version in the 308 Win and saying it has the same ballistics as an 30-06 is hyperbole. The only non magnum short action .30 caliber that runs somewhat with the 30-06 is the 30-284. But just like all SA cartridges it will not achieve those goals in a 2.8-inch magazine when it comes to high BC .30 caliber length bullets seated deep. It is possible in a 3-inch magazine to achieve parallel ballistics with some bullet weights as the 30-06. If that was my desire I would never go AI as a wildcat when I could get 6.5-284 Norma Brass and utilize for the 30-284. It would achieve much more than an 308 AI with less pressure. I’ll just stick to the 308 Win, it simply lacks in nothing as a big game cartridge, same for the 30-06, which has proven itself over and over and is the benchmark of comparison for many hunters in the field.

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Carrying an M60 Pig and 2 boxes of 500rd belts ( short handed in '72-'73, no AG) up 4 flights of stairs to a post at a window ( 30 men in 30 minutes Guard drill) in Germany was my worst memory of the 308 (7.62). Shooting it at silhouettes at 1000yds was my "best" memory. NOT lugging it, shooting it in anger in Vietnam instead of Germany...priceless! smile

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Originally Posted by Rossimp
Going to an Ackley version in the 308 Win and saying it has the same ballistics as an 30-06 is hyperbole.


LOL, hyperbole = bullshat??



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Just ordered another one. Have so many components on hand it’ll take two rifles to use them all up before I go under.😛


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or someone could have 3. one of many cartridges that can do pretty much anything.


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