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Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16296183 07/30/21
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,756 J JCMCUBIC Campfire Outfitter
JCMCUBIC Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,756	It's not a requirement in most of my kills but there have been several end of day, overcast, rainy, wooded area kills where it's been beneficial. There's never been a time I've said "I wish I had lower quality glass".

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Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16297143 07/30/21
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,420 Maine, ayuh. B buttstock Campfire Regular
buttstock Campfire Regular B Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,420 Maine, ayuh.	For the sake of reference, can the O.P ( or others) cite what make/model they would call "alpha glass" for big game hunting? "Behavior accepted is behavior repeated." "Strive to be underestimated."

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16297223 07/30/21
Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon Beaver10 OP Campfire Ranger
OP Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon	Originally Posted by Beaver10 Alpha glass....What is it, and who decides what constitutes it ? Aside from the marketing, hype, and dollar amount. The one constant variable is the individuals eyes. For every hunter saying this is awesome glass, there is another hunter saying he was looking through a dirty beer mug. Optics have a small margin of middle ground with some people. To put alpha glass into a proper perspective, it would need to provide enough light gathering and clarity to allow seeing what others, using different glass, wouldn’t be able to distinguish at the same time and distance....Thus, an advantage over another hunter in a competitive hunting environment. 🦫 To answer Buttstocks question. It’s almost impossible to identify glass as a tier one product, for reasons I referenced above. With individuals eyes seeing differences in quality. “Subjective” is the word for what one person considers urber glass, while someone else thinks it....meh. Here’s a brief list of scope mfg’s and glass that could be considered alpha based on manufacturing process, materials and coatings that go into making them. Tangent Theta Schmidt & Bender PMii Leica Magnus Zeiss Victory V8 NF atacr Steiner M7xi Swarovski Z8i Leupold Mark 5 ? List above, obviously, isn’t all inclusive. Your Mileage Will Vary. 🦫 Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16297510 07/30/21
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AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,819	March as well, I would think.

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? AKwolverine #16297517 07/30/21
Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon Beaver10 OP Campfire Ranger
OP Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon	Originally Posted by AKwolverine March as well, I would think. Agree...I owned one for a while. Nice glass, solid tracking. Finicky parallax was its weakness on mine. 🦫 Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

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Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298115 07/30/21
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,296 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,296 Northeast USA	I just put on of the Trijicon TenMiles on my 7 Mashburn. So far it seems better than the NXS 2.5x10’s, it’s a 3-18-44mm, FFP, With exposed elevation dials and illumination. Weighs 24 ounces. I’m liking it a lot and I checked my tracking the other night twisting 7 mils up and down taking a shot each time and it seemed to be doing its thing. Pretty Alpha for me P. 20…… Last edited by beretzs; 07/30/21. Semper Fi

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298141 07/30/21
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,196 The Lone Star State F FTR_Shooter Campfire Regular
FTR_Shooter Campfire Regular F Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,196 The Lone Star State	Originally Posted by Beaver10 Originally Posted by AKwolverine March as well, I would think. Agree...I owned one for a while. Nice glass, solid tracking. Finicky parallax was its weakness on mine. 🦫 I really wish people would stop misnaming things. You are talking about the side focus here, it's not an adjustable parallax. So what model March did you own?

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? FTR_Shooter #16298292 07/30/21
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OP Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon	Originally Posted by FTR_Shooter Originally Posted by Beaver10 Originally Posted by AKwolverine March as well, I would think. Agree...I owned one for a while. Nice glass, solid tracking. Finicky parallax was its weakness on mine. 🦫 I really wish people would stop misnaming things. You are talking about the side focus here, it's not an adjustable parallax. So what model March did you own? This http://marchscopes.com.au/scopes/second-focal-plane-scopes/2-5-25x42mm/ Noted as (Side Focus/Parallax) 🦫 Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298355 07/30/21
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dan_oz Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,582	Adjusting the focus of the target to bring it into the same focal plane as the reticle is in fact simply another way of describing parallax adjustment. They are one and the same.

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? dan_oz #16298378 07/30/21
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Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,049 Banana Belt, Montana	Yep! “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

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Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? beretzs #16298380 07/30/21
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OP Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon	Originally Posted by beretzs I just put on of the Trijicon TenMiles on my 7 Mashburn. So far it seems better than the NXS 2.5x10’s, it’s a 3-18-44mm, FFP, With exposed elevation dials and illumination. Weighs 24 ounces. I’m liking it a lot and I checked my tracking the other night twisting 7 mils up and down taking a shot each time and it seemed to be doing its thing. Pretty Alpha for me P. 20…… Somebody is looking for a case of beer 🤣👊🏽🦫 Well, spit me them shipping digits and something may or may not arrive within a week. 20 pages....Meh, it’s only just begun. We’re down to properly identify components on individual scopes for some. Seeing a train wreck a coming. LOL Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? beretzs #16298449 07/30/21
Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon Beaver10 OP Campfire Ranger
OP Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon	Hey, Scotty 👍🏼 🦫 Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? dan_oz #16298510 07/30/21
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JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,229 W. Texas	Originally Posted by dan_oz Adjusting the focus of the target to bring it into the same focal plane as the reticle is in fact simply another way of describing parallax adjustment. They are one and the same. You'd think some high powered FTR shooter would know that wouldn't you? It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298597 07/30/21
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Elvis Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,461 NSW, Australia	I have bought three Swarovski 3-9x36 scopes in the past couple of years. Top little scope especially with the #4 reticle. But I still use several VariX IIc 2x7 and old M8 6x36 scopes with complete success. They would be about 25 years old I'd say. Last edited by Elvis; 07/30/21.

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298754 07/30/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,156 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,156 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Never killed or seen anything killed with any of the aforementioned… so no, alpha glass doesn’t mean a thing. 👍 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298773 07/30/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,156 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,156 N.. Newaukum, Washington	It’s about like asking, how important is a lifted truck while hunting, or how important is a custom rifle when it comes to killin… not very fuucking important. 👍 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Crow hunter #16298797 07/30/21
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Ringman Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 28,825 Grants Pass,OR	Originally Posted by Crow hunter My main hunting rifles have scopes that would be considered "Alpha". I don't "need" them but why does that matter, I can afford them and I like them. They sure don't hurt anything. I probably spent less on those two scopes than most here spend on rims and speakers for their pickups. Nobody "needs" an Alpha scope. Nobody needs to eat a good ribeye or needs to hunt either for that matter. I have them because I like them and I earned the money to buy them, that's all the reasons I need. A man after my own heart. "Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298823 07/30/21
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,296 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,296 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by Beaver10 Hey, Scotty 👍🏼 🦫 Shoot yeah, pick something cool you have out there. I’m down for any of it. I’m in for watching the train wreck…. Getting good now. Semper Fi

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Beaver10 #16298826 07/30/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,156 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,156 N.. Newaukum, Washington	No train train wreck, those who know, “know” … hint 👍😂 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: How important is alpha scope glass for your hunts ? Judman #16298834 07/30/21
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OP Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon	Originally Posted by Judman No train train wreck, those who know, “know” … hint 👍😂 We need a donkey to walk across the tracks first...FTR was flirting with the rail, but, he bailed out. 🦫 Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

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