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Anyone loading Caveman style? #16292775 07/28/21
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Laughing at me here.

Neither my Uniflow nor my Midway powder dispenser are handling 3 to 5 gr charges of flake powder. Both are rifle units meant to deliver 10 gr or more, and they both excel in that regard.

Right now, I have 1500 cases in 9mm, 38 super, and 10mm sitting on the bench waiting for powder. (single stage presses) So I ordered two sets of Lee measuring spoons. A second set in case I want to file the top off of some for custom capacity.

Yes, I also got on the RCBS website and ordered a pistol cylinder with micrometer for the Uniflow. We will see which I end up liking better, the spoons or the Uniflow.


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Re: Anyone loading Caveman style? [Re: Idaho_Shooter] #16293500 07/29/21
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Nothing wrong with a volume type powder system.....provided the hand loader is consistent with their methods. If fact, I’ve read that some bench rest shooters use the dipper type (custom cut for volume) system! memtb


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Re: Anyone loading Caveman style? [Re: Idaho_Shooter] #16293570 07/29/21
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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Laughing at me here.

Neither my Uniflow nor my Midway powder dispenser are handling 3 to 5 gr charges of flake powder. Both are rifle units meant to deliver 10 gr or more, and they both excel in that regard.

Right now, I have 1500 cases in 9mm, 38 super, and 10mm sitting on the bench waiting for powder. (single stage presses) So I ordered two sets of Lee measuring spoons. A second set in case I want to file the top off of some for custom capacity.

Yes, I also got on the RCBS website and ordered a pistol cylinder with micrometer for the Uniflow. We will see which I end up liking better, the spoons or the Uniflow.


You using a baffle in that Uniflow? Mine drops uniform charges of Red Dot, Unique and other flake powders in the 3-5 grain range. Wouldn’t work for sh*t until I put the baffle in and played with the height of it in the powder hopper.



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My old Lyman 55 dropped many a charge of 2.8 grains of Bullseye. Problem was initial set up. After that all was fine.
Finally bought a Harrels pistol measure. The micro settings are repeatable. Problem solved. Hasbeen


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Re: Anyone loading Caveman style? [Re: Idaho_Shooter] #16293789 07/29/21
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RCBS Little Dandy, been using one for 20yrs. for handgun loading.

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You'll find that the pistol cylinder does indeed work much better than the rifle for those tiny charges. But don't be surprised if you like the dippers better.


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Originally Posted by Swifty52
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Laughing at me here.

Neither my Uniflow nor my Midway powder dispenser are handling 3 to 5 gr charges of flake powder. Both are rifle units meant to deliver 10 gr or more, and they both excel in that regard.

Right now, I have 1500 cases in 9mm, 38 super, and 10mm sitting on the bench waiting for powder. (single stage presses) So I ordered two sets of Lee measuring spoons. A second set in case I want to file the top off of some for custom capacity.

Yes, I also got on the RCBS website and ordered a pistol cylinder with micrometer for the Uniflow. We will see which I end up liking better, the spoons or the Uniflow.


You using a baffle in that Uniflow? Mine drops uniform charges of Red Dot, Unique and other flake powders in the 3-5 grain range. Wouldn’t work for sh*t until I put the baffle in and played with the height of it in the powder hopper.







Same here, Swifty


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At 3 gr of Universal using the rifle cylinder, both powder measures bind up with the metering rod striking the measure housing.

It is pretty tough to make a measure operate that close to minimum.

I am sure the pistol cylinder will fix that issue in the Uniflow.

Yes, I do have a powder baffle in both units.

I suspect that the measuring spoons will work out to be actually faster placing 3 gr of Titegroup in a 9mm or 327 case.


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Take a fired 9mm case, weigh the charge you want.
Put it in the case, mark the height, cut it off a bit high.
Solder or brase a 16d nail to the bottom.
Try it as a dipper, weigh the charge.
Grind it down untill it's right.

Really doesn't take long.
If you load 100 at a time of different stuff like I do,
It's an investment.

45 minutes to make a dipper.
Never screw with adjusting a measure again.
Once you check it for the first couple rounds each use.
You know it's not gonna need to be rechecked for the batch.

If your hands are getting like mine, you might want to epoxy
A handlemade from a hatchet split/sander shaped 2x4.

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Some where around here, I’ve still got a set of those old Lee powder measuring scoops. Little plastic things of various sizes.
And some of Dad’s old Lee Hand loaders. 🤠


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Re: Anyone loading Caveman style? [Re: Dillonbuck] #16298408 07/30/21
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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Take a fired 9mm case, weigh the charge you want.
Put it in the case, mark the height, cut it off a bit high.
Solder or brase a 16d nail to the bottom.
Try it as a dipper, weigh the charge.
Grind it down untill it's right.

Really doesn't take long.
If you load 100 at a time of different stuff like I do,
It's an investment.

45 minutes to make a dipper.
Never screw with adjusting a measure again.
Once you check it for the first couple rounds each use.
You know it's not gonna need to be rechecked for the batch.

If your hands are getting like mine, you might want to epoxy
A handlemade from a hatchet split/sander shaped 2x4.


That is exactly what I was considering. A sawed off cartridge case and silver solder a shaped brazing rod on as a handle.

Then it occurred to me that Lee sells them for about $1 each. DUH!


My ideal as a conservative:

That each person may reap as he/she has sown.
Re: Anyone loading Caveman style? [Re: Idaho_Shooter] #16298489 07/30/21
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I have a few I've made. Lead solder is plenty strong.
Good epoxy would be if you flattened your rod stock.


Also bought the complete Lee set. Later.

But I can't bring myself to modify them for exactly what I want.

Look around for an RCBS Little Dandy.
It's made for handgun charges, and uses replaceable rotors instead
of screwing around with adjustments.

The tool isn't too expensive. The rotors run around $10.
One if those deals where the accessories soon surpass the tool
in cost. But I bought mine off Fleabay. Guy was ditching a whole
stores inventory. I picked up everyone I thought I might need.

Never used it yet! blush

Need some 38s. It time!

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Re: Anyone loading Caveman style? [Re: Idaho_Shooter] #16298507 07/30/21
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Harrell's, Lee Perfect is a very close second.

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Originally Posted by gunswizard
RCBS Little Dandy, been using one for 20yrs. for handgun loading.


Works for me too. Finding the right rotor can be tricky sometimes, but I’ll settle for one that throws a slightly light charge.


What fresh Hell is this?
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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by gunswizard
RCBS Little Dandy, been using one for 20yrs. for handgun loading.


Works for me too. Finding the right rotor can be tricky sometimes, but I’ll settle for one that throws a slightly light charge.



I started buying rotors when they were $5.95 each. Now , what are they going for?

If you have a great load for a favorite handgun, Step down one rotor and drill to make the throw you want.

RCBS named it correctly. It's a Dandy little tool.


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About $12.


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The pistol cylinder for the Uniflow came in today. I also ordered the micrometer spindle for it. It is a sweet set up. I charged 700 pistol cases with 4756 through it. Every charge was right on 7.5 gr until it threw a half charge at empty.

I expect the Lee dippers will still be faster when they come in.


My ideal as a conservative:

That each person may reap as he/she has sown.
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If you follow Lee's instructions to the letter...you'd be damn hard pressed to beat that uniformity with a 200 dollar measure, with most of the powders I'm familiar with anyway.


Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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I have a pistol chamber for my BR-3, but I procured a Lil' Dandy and about every rotor under the sun (except the wee ones).

Also have a LEE dipper set in the long cardboard box, in case I ever take up loading 25 or 32 autos!



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I do everything on a single-stage press. I'll load handgun by dropping powder directly into cases while they're in the tray if the powder allows for it (measures the same weight every single time). Otherwise, if it's a bulkier powder and I cannot demonstrate the same drop every time, each charge goes to the scale just under my desired powder recipe, then I trickle in the rest. Some days, what else do we have to do?? It's still fun, and if I'm loading just to have more ammo on the shelf, I may do only 100 at a time and at my leisure. Done quickly, or done right?!?!

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