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Watched the video. Looks like just enough obstacles to keep it interesting. Crown King looks like a nice place to camp overnight.

As a long time four wheeler in S Az. I wore out my first suburban 4 x 4 with body cracks all over it due to crossups and nasty rough roads with over 300,000 miles , a 73, and now have a 3/4 ton 87 that is about to show 450,000. Just saying I am not new to this activity.

I can't help but notice many of the vehicles had huge tires with rims that put them well outside the body. IMO it is a mistake. Look at footage 14.38 where a sidewall is being needlessly rubbed against a rock. Sidewalls take far more abuse and flats will be more common due to sidewall cuts. I know because in the early 80s I ran 12.5s x 33s and cut through them often. The right front tire gets the most abuse because you cannot see where it is hitting without a spotter. Some may say that large tires will give you a softer ride and to some extent that is true but with such a huge footprint the pounds per square inch are low and cause more tire spin. Big wide tires are great for floatation on sand but unless the vehicle is used around Yuma or the driver goes in washes all the time IMO they are a poor choice for off road. Most of these vehicles use highways more often than they go offroad and on the highway should one encounter a large puddle where hydroplaning is a real threat. I know! I hydroplaned at 70 mph and could go lock to lock with steering wheel with absolutely no effect. I got rid of those 12.5 x 33 the next day. Now I run load range E 235/85-16s. I never have traction issues and it reduced the flats. Narrow tires also get to the bottom of snow and mud. I have left friends and their vehicles who ran wide tires on steep wet jeep trails who did nothing but spin. In addition to traction issues the wheels and tires on some of those vehicles are putting a huge strain on the relatively small wheel bearings like those that are used on a jeep.

I did notice that many of the vehicles had some type of positraction or locker which does make a huge difference. (Know the Rubicon comes with front and rear air lockers) (I have a detroit locker in the rear of my 14 bolt diff) Thought I would point out these things for anyone who may be new to off roading in Az. A front posi or locker is great for occasional use but it is best to have the ability to disconnect it or you are constantly fighting the steering which wants to be centered.

I am sure I'll get my share of detractors for my comments. I just had to share my thoughts.

US93 between Wickenburg and Kingman traverses what has to be some of the harshest ruggedest desert landscape in the US. Went through there about a month ago and thought about how damned serious it'd been to be out there afoot or horseback not knowing where the water was. It's definitely "two spares" country for the 4x4...

Watched the video. Looks like just enough obstacles to keep it interesting. Crown King looks like a nice place to camp overnight.

As a long time four wheeler in S Az. I wore out my first suburban 4 x 4 with body cracks all over it due to crossups and nasty rough roads with over 300,000 miles , a 73, and now have a 3/4 ton 87 that is about to show 450,000. Just saying I am not new to this activity.

I can't help but notice many of the vehicles had huge tires with rims that put them well outside the body. IMO it is a mistake. Look at footage 14.38 where a sidewall is being needlessly rubbed against a rock. Sidewalls take far more abuse and flats will be more common due to sidewall cuts. I know because in the early 80s I ran 12.5s x 33s and cut through them often. The right front tire gets the most abuse because you cannot see where it is hitting without a spotter. Some may say that large tires will give you a softer ride and to some extent that is true but with such a huge footprint the pounds per square inch are low and cause more tire spin. Big wide tires are great for floatation on sand but unless the vehicle is used around Yuma or the driver goes in washes all the time IMO they are a poor choice for off road. Most of these vehicles use highways more often than they go offroad and on the highway should one encounter a large puddle where hydroplaning is a real threat. I know! I hydroplaned at 70 mph and could go lock to lock with steering wheel with absolutely no effect. I got rid of those 12.5 x 33 the next day. Now I run load range E 235/85-16s. I never have traction issues and it reduced the flats. Narrow tires also get to the bottom of snow and mud. I have left friends and their vehicles who ran wide tires on steep wet jeep trails who did nothing but spin. In addition to traction issues the wheels and tires on some of those vehicles are putting a huge strain on the relatively small wheel bearings like those that are used on a jeep.

I did notice that many of the vehicles had some type of positraction or locker which does make a huge difference. (Know the Rubicon comes with front and rear air lockers) (I have a detroit locker in the rear of my 14 bolt diff) Thought I would point out these things for anyone who may be new to off roading in Az. A front posi or locker is great for occasional use but it is best to have the ability to disconnect it or you are constantly fighting the steering which wants to be centered.

I am sure I'll get my share of detractors for my comments. I just had to share my thoughts.

Watched the video. Looks like just enough obstacles to keep it interesting. Crown King looks like a nice place to camp overnight.

As a long time four wheeler in S Az. I wore out my first suburban 4 x 4 with body cracks all over it due to crossups and nasty rough roads with over 300,000 miles , a 73, and now have a 3/4 ton 87 that is about to show 450,000. Just saying I am not new to this activity.

I can't help but notice many of the vehicles had huge tires with rims that put them well outside the body. IMO it is a mistake. Look at footage 14.38 where a sidewall is being needlessly rubbed against a rock. Sidewalls take far more abuse and flats will be more common due to sidewall cuts. I know because in the early 80s I ran 12.5s x 33s and cut through them often. The right front tire gets the most abuse because you cannot see where it is hitting without a spotter. Some may say that large tires will give you a softer ride and to some extent that is true but with such a huge footprint the pounds per square inch are low and cause more tire spin. Big wide tires are great for floatation on sand but unless the vehicle is used around Yuma or the driver goes in washes all the time IMO they are a poor choice for off road. Most of these vehicles use highways more often than they go offroad and on the highway should one encounter a large puddle where hydroplaning is a real threat. I know! I hydroplaned at 70 mph and could go lock to lock with steering wheel with absolutely no effect. I got rid of those 12.5 x 33 the next day. Now I run load range E 235/85-16s. I never have traction issues and it reduced the flats. Narrow tires also get to the bottom of snow and mud. I have left friends and their vehicles who ran wide tires on steep wet jeep trails who did nothing but spin. In addition to traction issues the wheels and tires on some of those vehicles are putting a huge strain on the relatively small wheel bearings like those that are used on a jeep.

I did notice that many of the vehicles had some type of positraction or locker which does make a huge difference. (Know the Rubicon comes with front and rear air lockers) (I have a detroit locker in the rear of my 14 bolt diff) Thought I would point out these things for anyone who may be new to off roading in Az. A front posi or locker is great for occasional use but it is best to have the ability to disconnect it or you are constantly fighting the steering which wants to be centered.

I am sure I'll get my share of detractors for my comments. I just had to share my thoughts.

Did they hang out around the campfire making s’mores and singing kum baya?

You ain’t taking no 2500 truck up that trail