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Great article....

http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/enviropol/envirophilo/whynotenviro.pdf

I’m not an environmentalist or a developer. Both sides of the debate are fulla chitt.

Do you own a home? If yes, then you are a developer, albeit on a small scale. What's wrong with being a developer? They're just giving people what they desire, which is the highest good, as far as I can tell.

Get past the emotion and investigate the science, you might learn something. Try examining water pollution here in Floriduh. You might need a couple pots of coffee.

www.warinconline.com

Look down in the center, “Final Report Lower Withlacoochee...”

Phase 2 contains a lengthy data summary that is rather disconcerting if one knows anything about chemistry, geology and hydrology.

It's you who are acting on emotion. Environmentalism is a religion. You appear to be one of its adherents. The truth of the matter is that environmentalism harms the well-being of humans far more than it helps. In fact, to call it "environmentalism" is completely misleading. Its actually the "anti-human being" movement. No one is denying the existence of pollution and no one is saying it is necessarily a good thing. That's not the issue. The question is whether, considering its benefits and costs, any particular pollution good or bad in the aggregate. The positive effects of fossil fuels far, far outweighs the negatives by probably thousands of orders of magnitude

Was editing the previous as you typed. I suspect you misunderstand where I sit on the matter. I have little emotion on the issue, but do recognize where we are headed. It is not necessary to embrace adverse impacts if there are reasonable alternatives.

So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt

Tarqueen not a greenie....but he is Biden voting defund de police dipschit.

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Fuggin A.

Tarquin, FWIW, you indicate you're from Idaho. Current population around 2 million, +/-. Same as Florida when I was a rug rat. We have about 22 million these days and that has put a serious crush on our water resources. So what? Well, water, both inland and near shore seas are the largest single contributor to the state's annual gross product, bringing in around $600+ billion/year. Second place is agriculture at around $100 billion/yr. I don't think it prudent to sacrifice #1 to benefit #2 if there are alternatives, and there are quite a few. When a system gets stressed one ought not keep on doin' what they've been doing. We are a land of innovation when challenges arise, and we are faced with a serious problem down here in the swamps.

And 98% of the environuts are perfectly stupid.

While I'm at it, what do you think we should use for fuel when the world runs out of oil? I like hydrogen myself. Lots of it around and lots of bounce to the ounce. Will people that have bad accidents run risk of being in the middle of a fireball? Yep. Do I care? Nope. I just have no desire to hike out to Salmon to visit at my age.

Swamps are socialist.

We need development and strip malls!

Strip malls? Is that like a really big strip bar?

Where!!!???

My favorite is Amateur Night.

I am an Environmentalist.
I heat my house with wood instead of Electricity generated by Coal Generating Plants.
I am For cleaning up all of the dead wood in the forests instead of leaving it to burn uncontrollably Harming Nature.
I am for the Gooberment reversing their regulations on durable goods back to the 15 to 20 year life span that products use to have before they reduced it to 5 years.
This right here would slow down the creation of Chemical Pollution pumped into our Air and Water with things lasting longer so we do not have to replace them so soon after they are manufactured.
I am for Hunting to control the population of some animals so they do not become over populated and Starve during the winter.
And The Biggest Environmental item of all.
I am for Killing the Unruly Law Breakers that think that they have rights over everyone else and Create a Blight on Society.
Killing these 2 legged animals would cut down on Human over population and create fertilizer to grow more plants to generate Oxygen for the entire Earth.

I am an Environmentalist in many other was as well.

An environmentalist is a developer that already has a house in Aspen.


mike r

The forest grows out of dead decayed wood, if you invade the forest and take away all the composting material the forest dies. Also a scrubbed coal plant emits less toxins than your wood fire that vents uncontrolled

Where in the world did you get the idea that non-environmentalist want no forests and mass extinction?

Or a Prarie Reservist with a land development business in Bozeman.

That reminds me of my old neighborhood in CA, which was right on the border of the Oakland and Berkeley hills (i.e., the most progressive place on earth). Most of the people who lived there were Prius driving, save the whales, end global warming, blah blah blah extremists. They also were extreme hypocrites when it came to their own comfort and pleasure.

A wildfire killed a lot of people and did a lot of property damage in the area about 30 years ago and many people blamed the trees. So while these people were telling everyone else to go back to the stone age to save the planet, they were trying to get the state and federal governments to clearcut all the trees in the hills and they started an activist movement to force the clearcutting to take place immediately.

I asked a few of them how they reconciled their extreme green credentials with their desire to clearcut a forest in an urban area and they said it was all about saving lives. They never could explain why their lives were more important than the lives of the trees, the squirrels in the trees, the birds in the trees, the deer in the woods, etc. So to help them out, I started writing responses to the EPA, the CA environmental board and everyone else they were writing to and I pointed out that the fuel load in a typical 3000 sq ft luxury house in the Berkeley/Oakland hills was way more dangerous than the innocent trees, and if saving lives and preventing fires was so important the first step should be to eliminate houses from anywhere that is wooded.

They really didn't appreciate the points I was making and I just kept responding with their own arguments about climate change and the importance of saving the planet. Last I heard, the trees were still there.

Best thing for whitetail deer are clear cuts. Trees grow back in spades.