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The thread about the 250 Savage got me thinking about an article that I read years ago. I think the article was entitled "The Spiteful Crack of the 250-3000" or something like that. I am thinking it was written by Jim Bashline or maybe Bob Milek. Does anyone have a copy?


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I sure would like to read it too! I had quite the relationship with one in 788 when I was teaching up in Ambler.

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It was Jim Bashline. I too loved that article. He talked about his lifelong fascination with the cartridge ever since a well to do "flatlander" gave him a cartridge as a boy as he helped out at a local hotel where the out of town hunters stayed during deer season. I'm sure I still have it in my mountain of magazines but it'd take a week to find it. There are no writers left that can/will write an article like that today....

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After a quick Google search:

"The Spiteful Crack of the .250-3000", Jim Bashline, Deer and Big Game Rifles, 1997, pages 66-71.

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That too is one of my favorites by Jim Bashline. I asked Jim around 30 years ago if he still had that empty cartridge case that the "sport" gave him. He smiled and said "yep." (He was a sometimes drinking buddy when we found ourselves attending the same fly tying symposiums, me as an organizer and he as a participant. There was the night he, Ernie Schwiebert, and I put a serious dent in the single malt supply at Seven Springs resort in Pennsylvania. Jeezuz, the stories those guys could tell. It was just the three of us left at the bar when the bartender pleaded with us to leave so he could go home. A couple Atlantic Salmon flies that Jim tied me reside in bell jars, treasured mementos of a great guy.)

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I think that it was Bob Milek. He wrote an article about .25 caliber cartridges in a soft cover special that I recall owning back in the 90's, but don't know what happened to it. He did a nice write up on the 257 Roberts too, some old cowboy shooting mulie bucks from the rim of a canyon IIRC.

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
I think that it was Bob Milek. He wrote an article about .25 caliber cartridges in a soft cover special that I recall owning back in the 90's, but don't know what happened to it. He did a nice write up on the 257 Roberts too, some old cowboy shooting mulie bucks from the rim of a canyon IIRC.



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gnoahhh,

I also knew Jim pretty well--and consumed quite a bit of whiskey/whisky with him.

Did he ever tell you the tale about how he traded the family car (the ONLY family car) for several old Winchester lever-rifles, and had to wire Sylvia for bus-fare money to get home? (Years later those rifles paid for one of their kid's college education.)


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Another well-written description of the 250 Savage and its effects on game was done by Lawrence Koller in his famous 1948 book on deer hunting “Shots at Whitetails.” A great read.

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gnoahhh,

I also knew Jim pretty well--and consumed quite a bit of whiskey/whisky with him.

Did he ever tell you the tale about how he traded the family car (the ONLY family car) for several old Winchester lever-rifles, and had to wire Sylvia for bus-fare money to get home? (Years later those rifles paid for one of their kid's college education.)


Haha! Yes, he told me the story after I described to him how I had sold a bunch of good rifles to pull together the down payment on a bungalow + 36 acres in Pennsylvania. It made me feel better (but it could've been the whisky too).


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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
I think that it was Bob Milek. He wrote an article about .25 caliber cartridges in a soft cover special that I recall owning back in the 90's, but don't know what happened to it. He did a nice write up on the 257 Roberts too, some old cowboy shooting mulie bucks from the rim of a canyon IIRC.



Huh uh. Definitely Jim Bashline.

All those old articles by the "scribes of yore" sent me down the rabbit hole of medium-sized .25 and 6.5 cartridges for deer hunting. I love cast bullets, and therein lies my affection for .30's and .32's, but mildly sizzling .25's and 6.5's caught my fancy for woods loafing long ago and I never looked back. I can't imagine a friendlier companion than a Savage M1899 .250-3000 takedown for such a day, when the woods are quiet, the deer are pussy footing, and I'm in the mood for connecting with the past and reflecting on the guys who influenced me.

Note to self: take a copy of Bashline's book that contains "Spiteful Crack" to the woods with me this fall, and balance it on the .250 Savage across my lap to read between naps.


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My apologies for taking the thread farther into the weeds, but I told Jim a story that held him spellbound once too. It involved me standing on a rock after dark at the head of a pool in Spring Creek in north central PA on a night so dark I couldn't see my hand in front of my face. (The same pool out of which Joe Humphries had taken the then state record brown trout.) After playing out the fly line, practiced and memorized previously in daylight, something big and frightening took my Muddler Minnow fly and went tearing away in the darkness. I gave the fish its head while the reel screamed, and then "bink", the line went slack. Trembling, I staggered to shore, walked to the cabin, and cracked a cold beer. My favorite trout story, and it involved a fish I never saw or touched let alone landed. Jim sat there with his glass raised halfway to his mouth and just kept nodding.


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Originally Posted by gnoahhh
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I think that it was Bob Milek. He wrote an article about .25 caliber cartridges in a soft cover special that I recall owning back in the 90's, but don't know what happened to it. He did a nice write up on the 257 Roberts too, some old cowboy shooting mulie bucks from the rim of a canyon IIRC.



Huh uh. Definitely Jim Bashline.

All those old articles by the "scribes of yore" sent me down the rabbit hole of medium-sized .25 and 6.5 cartridges for deer hunting. I love cast bullets, and therein lies my affection for .30's and .32's, but mildly sizzling .25's and 6.5's caught my fancy for woods loafing long ago and I never looked back. I can't imagine a friendlier companion than a Savage M1899 .250-3000 takedown for such a day, when the woods are quiet, the deer are pussy footing, and I'm in the mood for connecting with the past and reflecting on the guys who influenced me.

Note to self: take a copy of Bashline's book that contains "Spiteful Crack" to the woods with me this fall, and balance it on the .250 Savage across my lap to read between naps.


Having been a 250-3000 shooter since 1969, via a Savage 99G that was purchased at The Green Store in North Haverhill, NH, I'm rather partial to both the cartridge and most of the rifles that have been chambered for it. Since then, many more have come from FN, Remington, Ruger, Savage, and Winchester. My favorite is a Savage 1920 that once belonged to Larry Koller. Whenever I take it down from the wall and handle it, I wonder how often Larry used it and if it was one of the rifles that he wrote about in SAW. According to my conversations with the late Paul Koller, Larry had over 1,000 firearms in his collection when he passed away, including several Savage 1920s that came and went. This one was modified post-WW2 to accomodate a Lyman Alaskan.

I have only one book by Mr. Bashline, The Eastern Trail, but honestly don't remember anything about it.

EDIT: What is the title of the book that this Bashline article appears in?

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
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I think that it was Bob Milek. He wrote an article about .25 caliber cartridges in a soft cover special that I recall owning back in the 90's, but don't know what happened to it. He did a nice write up on the 257 Roberts too, some old cowboy shooting mulie bucks from the rim of a canyon IIRC.



Huh uh. Definitely Jim Bashline.

All those old articles by the "scribes of yore" sent me down the rabbit hole of medium-sized .25 and 6.5 cartridges for deer hunting. I love cast bullets, and therein lies my affection for .30's and .32's, but mildly sizzling .25's and 6.5's caught my fancy for woods loafing long ago and I never looked back. I can't imagine a friendlier companion than a Savage M1899 .250-3000 takedown for such a day, when the woods are quiet, the deer are pussy footing, and I'm in the mood for connecting with the past and reflecting on the guys who influenced me.

Note to self: take a copy of Bashline's book that contains "Spiteful Crack" to the woods with me this fall, and balance it on the .250 Savage across my lap to read between naps.


Having been a 250-3000 shooter since 1969, via a Savage 99G that was purchased at The Green Store in North Haverhill, NH, I'm rather partial to both the cartridge and most of the rifles that have been chambered for it. Since then, many more have come from FN, Remington, Ruger, Savage, and Winchester. My favorite is a Savage 1920 that once belonged to Larry Koller. Whenever I take it down from the wall and handle it, I wonder how often Larry used it and if it was one of the rifles that he wrote about in SAW. According to my conversations with the late Paul Koller, Larry had over 1,000 firearms in his collection when he passed away, including several Savage 1920s that came and went. This one was modified post-WW2 to accomodate a Lyman Alaskan.

I have only one book by Mr. Bashline, The Eastern Trail, but honestly don't remember anything about it.

EDIT: What is the title of the book that this Bashline article appears in?




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Originally Posted by Ray_Herbert
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I think that it was Bob Milek. He wrote an article about .25 caliber cartridges in a soft cover special that I recall owning back in the 90's, but don't know what happened to it. He did a nice write up on the 257 Roberts too, some old cowboy shooting mulie bucks from the rim of a canyon IIRC.



Huh uh. Definitely Jim Bashline.

All those old articles by the "scribes of yore" sent me down the rabbit hole of medium-sized .25 and 6.5 cartridges for deer hunting. I love cast bullets, and therein lies my affection for .30's and .32's, but mildly sizzling .25's and 6.5's caught my fancy for woods loafing long ago and I never looked back. I can't imagine a friendlier companion than a Savage M1899 .250-3000 takedown for such a day, when the woods are quiet, the deer are pussy footing, and I'm in the mood for connecting with the past and reflecting on the guys who influenced me.

Note to self: take a copy of Bashline's book that contains "Spiteful Crack" to the woods with me this fall, and balance it on the .250 Savage across my lap to read between naps.


Having been a 250-3000 shooter since 1969, via a Savage 99G that was purchased at The Green Store in North Haverhill, NH, I'm rather partial to both the cartridge and most of the rifles that have been chambered for it. Since then, many more have come from FN, Remington, Ruger, Savage, and Winchester. My favorite is a Savage 1920 that once belonged to Larry Koller. Whenever I take it down from the wall and handle it, I wonder how often Larry used it and if it was one of the rifles that he wrote about in SAW. According to my conversations with the late Paul Koller, Larry had over 1,000 firearms in his collection when he passed away, including several Savage 1920s that came and went. This one was modified post-WW2 to accomodate a Lyman Alaskan.

I have only one book by Mr. Bashline, The Eastern Trail, but honestly don't remember anything about it.

EDIT: What is the title of the book that this Bashline article appears in?




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Great stories guys! Keep it going. Dang, wish I had the talent to spin a good yarn like these.

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After reading an article Layne Simpson wrote once about the 1920 in 250-3000 I started looking for one. It took years but I found one for reasonable price. Got dies and brass. The safety had no tension seemed like missing a spring, then I noticed that the action and stock had 2 different serial numbers. Long story short was that it shot ok but very low at 50 yds, the irons appeared to be the originals and I didn't want to be modifying them so I sold it to a dealer for more than I had in it. I'd still like to have a 250 but one with a tighter twist than 1 in 14. Mb


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Near to our hunting camp in East Central Saskatchewan an old timer lived and hunted in the 1950-1970's era. He was a moose hunting specialist, and his family and friends "party" hunted. Pushing bush for moose. This was strictly meat hunting, either sex, shoot them "on the run" type of hunting. The only rifle that man used was a .250 Savage 99. He was a good shot, and so was usually designated shooter whether or not the moose was to be "his". The meat was all shared by the hunting party anyway. He shot more than 50 moose with that little rifle, using only 100 gr. factory loads. Never lost a moose that I know of, but he usually kept shooting until the moose dropped, and they always hunted when there was tracking snow. I bought mine after hearing that story from his grandson, who coveted that rifle. The .250 is quite a capable cartridge. I only ever used mine for deer, but it obviously works for them too.

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I have the article, "The Spiteful Crack of the 250-3000" in a document but don't know how to post it here (boomer,sorry). I could email it to someone that would be willing/able to posted it if anyone wants to do it.
Send me a pm with your email and I will send it to you.
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