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Anyone using a plasma lighter? I like the rechargeability of them plus they "should" be free of elevation effects.
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I've read up some on them but I've never used one. I think they'd be great for camping and hunting but I wouldn't trust one to replace my Zippo for emergencies. Electronics can go bad. A small container of lighter fluid in my pack is a reliable backup.
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I've tested one out for over a year and surprised at how reliable it's been. It's probably three or four times heavier than a disposable and needs recharged. That's about the only drawback I can think of.
I still prefer scripto clear. Maybe it's because I used a disposable butane lighter all of my life. I adjust them high, which is why Bics aren't for me. You can even take them apart to set the flame higher. The only true advantage I can see to the plasma type is that it doesn't blow out with wind. Also, wet hands don't touch a striker and make it wet and unable to ignite. These are the few considerations besides going for one with a good review.
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Thanks for the thread B, I was not aware of such but just received an orange Explorer from amazon. I ordered it for my wife to use for lighting the indoor fire.
Might just go ahead and order a longer one for the bbq.
Done, ordered one for the barbie, ebay less that $10.
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Thanks for the thread B, I was not aware of such but just received an orange Explorer from amazon. I ordered it for my wife to use for lighting the indoor fire.
Might just go ahead and order a longer one for the bbq.
Done, ordered one for the barbie, ebay less that $10.
This one?
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Thanks for the thread B, I was not aware of such but just received an orange Explorer from amazon. I ordered it for my wife to use for lighting the indoor fire.
Might just go ahead and order a longer one for the bbq.
Done, ordered one for the barbie, ebay less that $10.
This one?Just ordered two.
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Yes, that is the one from amazon, and THIS is the one for the bbq. I am pretty pleased with the Explorer. Have added pictures for size comparison.
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I got 2 of these for $17. They work very well for camp stoves. The piezo lighter on my Coleman propane stove only works half the time. So far this has been flawless. They're far better than butane lighters at high altitudes and in the cold. For emergency use in the field, though, I want my Zippo in my pocket. Liquid fuel is more reliable than a battery. These come in a very nice box that probably costs as much as the lighters.
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I mentioned that the piezo lighter on my propane stove only works half the time. If you see a spark, it's working. The problem is the gas isn't getting to where the spark is. This plasma lighter takes care of that problem. I just have to make sure it's charged before a camping trip or carry a power pack of some kind just in case.
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I've tested one out for over a year and surprised at how reliable it's been. It's probably three or four times heavier than a disposable and needs recharged. That's about the only drawback I can think of.
I still prefer scripto clear. Maybe it's because I used a disposable butane lighter all of my life. I adjust them high, which is why Bics aren't for me. You can even take them apart to set the flame higher. The only true advantage I can see to the plasma type is that it doesn't blow out with wind. Also, wet hands don't touch a striker and make it wet and unable to ignite. These are the few considerations besides going for one with a good review. I'll take a Zippo any day over a disposable for emergency use. For one thing, you can light a Zippo and set it down. You don't have to keep your thumb on it. That gives you both hands free to handle the tinder. Lighter fluid will light at any temperature or altitude, unlike butane. I've done a number of demonstrations for scouts comparing the 2 types for fire building in bad conditions. Zippo wins. I see plasma lighters as a very good tool for the outdoors but I want my Zippo in my pocket for a backup.
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We use a couple for lighting candles. I tried using one to light some magnesium shavings and it was kind of a dud. Even a strike-anywhere match took a long time on those, but a spark rod got it going after a good direct hit.
Put one in my pocket not long ago as a backup to the piezo on my flame gun. Dang safety got switched off in my pocket and when I pulled it out I found out what that little bugger feels like on your finger. No burn, just a good pinch.
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Two is one, one is none, so I guess three is two. I carry a disposable, a spark rod, and some mongo hurricane matches and tinder in my pack. I like Zippos, but since I don’t smoke, I always let them dry out on me. Lighter fluid has become a specialty item around here; grocery stores don’t have it, or maybe they hide it.
Those big windproof matches are amazing. You really can poke a lit one in the snow and have it come back out burning like Hell. They do require a striker, but come with several.
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Remember when we had real strike anywhere matches? Most of this stuff wasn't needed because we had GOOD matches.
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Two is one, one is none, so I guess three is two. I carry a disposable, a spark rod, and some mongo hurricane matches and tinder in my pack. I like Zippos, but since I don’t smoke, I always let them dry out on me. Lighter fluid has become a specialty item around here; grocery stores don’t have it, or maybe they hide it.
Those big windproof matches are amazing. You really can poke a lit one in the snow and have it come back out burning like Hell. They do require a striker, but come with several.
hurricane matches are meant to be lit with a Bic which you then put in your pocket before you burn your thumb.
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I love my lighter. Always works. After I bought the fist one for my kit I got a second one to keep in my Jeep. It's nice being able to light up a stogie while going 70 with the top and doors off.
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Thanks for the thread B, I was not aware of such but just received an orange Explorer from amazon. I ordered it for my wife to use for lighting the indoor fire.
Might just go ahead and order a longer one for the bbq.
Done, ordered one for the barbie, ebay less that $10.
This one?funny. I click on that link and it's $19.95. don't ya just love Amazon?
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Amazon has a couple dozen brands that are about identical and with the Explorer name on them. They're different brands and prices but I suspect that they all come from the same Chinese factory. They have 2 different types of burners as seen in these photos. One has the spark on top and the other has it down inside. I don't know if one is better than the other. Has anyone compared them? Just from looking at the photos, it looks like the top spark type would be easier to get in the tinder.
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This thread caused me to order one similar to the orange one above. I have mini Bics in packs by the dozen but find them difficult in the wind and w/ gloves like the real world offers. Zippos are great but never seem to have fuel when I need it.
I tested the explorer yesterday w/ gloves and the wind and it easily lit my cotton balls and other fire starters. It did not work well w/ a bundle of dry grass and twigs. I think that carrying tinder/fire starter that works in all conditions is probably the key.
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In my limited experience with these lighters, they do best with some kind of tinder or fire starter. They don't get hot enough to get twigs burning. The best homemade tinder I've found is vasoline coated cotton balls. I carry a bunch in a ziplock bag all the time. Many guys who make them use too much vasoline. You have to keep the centers of the balls dry. Vasoline itself won't burn. You need to tear one apart to light the dry cotton in the middle. Once it's going, the vasoline on the outside will vaporize and burn for a long time. A plasma lighter will light the dry cotton almost immediately so you don't have to stand there holding it waiting for it to start burning.
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Try slices of bicycle inner tube.
Lights easy, burns pretty long, and hot, and is 100% waterproof.
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I'd heard that and tried it but the inner tube lit but wouldn't maintain a flame.
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Not truck tube, right? Heavier tube wall maybe? Try thinner slices?
Mine are about 1/2” wide.
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Not truck tube, right? Heavier tube wall maybe? Try thinner slices?
Mine are about 1/2” wide. I just went in and lit a piece of surgical tubing and some seat belt webbing quite readily. Stinks though, next time I shall do it outdoors.
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I tried a bicycle tube. It went out as soon as I removed the spark.
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If your a zippo fan or already have a zippo they offer both plasma and butane inserts now. Have not tried the plasma but the butane are very nice. Love a zippo but don't use enough to run lighter fluid. Butane solved the problem.
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If your a zippo fan or already have a zippo they offer both plasma and butane inserts now. Have not tried the plasma but the butane are very nice. Love a zippo but don't use enough to run lighter fluid. Butane solved the problem. The advantage of fluid in a Zippo is so it will light in the cold and and high elevations. Also, you don't have to keep your thumb on the lever so you can set it down and use both hands to hold tinder to start a fire. The prices I've seen of a plasma insert to use in a Zippo case are higher than just buying a plasma with it's own flip top case. The only advantage of an insert is if you have a designer Zippo that you want to keep using.
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If your a zippo fan or already have a zippo they offer both plasma and butane inserts now. Have not tried the plasma but the butane are very nice. Love a zippo but don't use enough to run lighter fluid. Butane solved the problem. The advantage of fluid in a Zippo is so it will light in the cold and and high elevations. Also, you don't have to keep your thumb on the lever so you can set it down and use both hands to hold tinder to start a fire. The prices I've seen of a plasma insert to use in a Zippo case are higher than just buying a plasma with it's own flip top case. The only advantage of an insert is if you have a designer Zippo that you want to keep using. I would have thought it for a treasured keepsake. And to be honest, in lean/strife-torn times the ability to use just about any flammable liquid in a lighter would be a boon way beyond plasma.
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If your a zippo fan or already have a zippo they offer both plasma and butane inserts now. Have not tried the plasma but the butane are very nice. Love a zippo but don't use enough to run lighter fluid. Butane solved the problem. The advantage of fluid in a Zippo is so it will light in the cold and and high elevations. Also, you don't have to keep your thumb on the lever so you can set it down and use both hands to hold tinder to start a fire. The prices I've seen of a plasma insert to use in a Zippo case are higher than just buying a plasma with it's own flip top case. The only advantage of an insert is if you have a designer Zippo that you want to keep using. Agree there are distinct advantages to lighter fluid in a zippo. I have the original insert and still use it when I know the odds are good I will be using a lighter repetitively or in certain conditions. Mainly deer camp. The butane is more the everyday carry insert. I know it won't dry out and it is way more reliable than than a cheap gas station flicker butane lighter. Got so sick of using a butane lighter once or twice before it would refuse to light.
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I tried a bicycle tube. It went out as soon as I removed the spark. Sorry. Wasn’t clear, I guess. Gotta use a flame lighter or match.
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I tried a bicycle tube. It went out as soon as I removed the spark. Sorry. Wasn’t clear, I guess. Gotta use a flame lighter or match. Ah, that would make a difference. The thread is about plasma lighters so I assumed that's what you were talking about. I have a couple long necked plasma lighters. They're as good as they come for lighting stoves, bbq's, etc. They work at any altitude, temperature, and the wind can't blow them out. They're also very good for reaching in under a pile of tinder. Tear open a vasoline coated cottonball to expose the dry center and pile shavings on top of it. The lighter will ignite the cotton almost immediately and you're off and running.
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I'm not much for starting a fire out hunting, but what I like is the Firebird butane cigar lighter that I carry in my pack. It is like a mini blow torch, refillable, hotter than a Bic and wind proof.
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In 60 years of hunting, I've never started a fire while out hunting except where I'm camping. But, twist an ankle or fall on your kneecap a couple miles from nowhere and a fire can save your tail. I carry several methods of starting a fire. In an emergency, a waterproof container of hurricane matches is probably the best thing to grab first.
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pretty tuff to beat a bic lighter and a tablet of trioxene. I normally always carry a bic lighter. often times it goes through the washer and dryer. lighter comes out working like nothing ever happened.
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Since this has come back up……
if you can find them, try out a piezoelectric butane lighter. Usually at smoke shops.
No wheel to spin. Similar “button” to bic lighters that releases gas with a spark. They often have adjustable flames.
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The piezo mechanisms rarely fail. If you can see a spark, it's working. The problem is fuel delivery. Butane can be very hard to light in extreme cold or at high altitudes. Many times I've had butane BBQ lighters fail to light when in the mountains. You can carry a lighter in an inside pocket to keep the butane warm which helps a lot.
Coleman has sold bazillions of their 2 burner propane camp stoves with piezo lighters. Many of them won't light every time. You can see the spark so the piezo is working but the propane doesn't always get to the spark. I have yet to figure out why since any kind of other lighter will light it nicely. I have a couple of those long necked plasma lighters and keep one inside my stove for times when the piezo doesn't get it done.
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I always used to carry a road flare, or railroad flare for back up to a zippo. Just build your fire, strike the flare and stick it under the wood. Go get some water for a tea, and go get more wood. I still carry the zippo, plus the matches. Now they have ? Triangle shaped pieces of??? You just strike them like a match and throw them under the wood, they burn longer than the matches. Good deal because I can't find any flares up here anymore. Cousin and another close friend used to work for Canadian pacific railway, cousins driving spikes for the Angels and friend is retired. At 70 I don't get to deep into the bush anymore but still can't get my head to think about being old. Was in cabelas the other day looking at a real, lite, waterproof, hooded rain coat. Then it clicked, if it's raining I'm not going out, if I'm out and it starts to rain I'm going home. Bill. 👣🐾👣🐾🇨🇦
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There are lots of fire starters on the market now that just need a touch from a match to start an inferno. But will they start from a spark from a lighter? I have some of those triangle shaped ones. One of the best I've found are these square things from Walmart. Just light the wrapper and they'll burn hot for 15 min. They weigh almost nothing. One thing I haven't tried is lighting one with a plasma lighter to see if the wrapper will catch readily from a spark instead of a flame.
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There are lots of fire starters on the market now that just need a touch from a match to start an inferno. But will they start from a spark from a lighter? I have some of those triangle shaped ones. One of the best I've found are these square things from Walmart. Just light the wrapper and they'll burn hot for 15 min. They weigh almost nothing. One thing I haven't tried is lighting one with a plasma lighter to see if the wrapper will catch readily from a spark instead of a flame. Those are my favorite too. I got the plasma lighter as a result of this thread and the 1st thing I lit was the wrapper on a Zip, worked great on a windy day. mike r
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Not truck tube, right? Heavier tube wall maybe? Try thinner slices?
Mine are about 1/2” wide. How many bikers did you have to run off the road before you found the right thickness?
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Not truck tube, right? Heavier tube wall maybe? Try thinner slices?
Mine are about 1/2” wide. How many bikers did you have to run off the road before you found the right thickness? Not a one. Used my own bike tire tube. 👍
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Zippo, yuck. Get a spendy Exotac if your into Zippo. Comes at a price but it's the evolution of the Zippo. Also the Exotac match case with UCO matches is a solid piece of gear.
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Zippo, yuck. Get a spendy Exotac if your into Zippo. Comes at a price but it's the evolution of the Zippo. Also the Exotac match case with UCO matches is a solid piece of gear. Oh you rotten prick...that is going to cost me fu cking hundreds! Just ordered the FreeKey and have saved the reel and the match case to my watched list. Screw you.
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Just ordered the match safe, interesting enough it cost just over $66 in Australia...fishing reel next.
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Its hard to see in the pic but I use a lighter and or matches and "trick candles". The party candles that re-light themselves when you blow them out. They are meant for kids birthday cakes but are perfect for getting a fire going. In the bottom of the pic is a green one getting this fire going: One practical field note. Once they have been used, the relighting feature is only good for the first part of the candle, after that they are just regular candles. But a few of these weigh pretty much nothing, are cheap and work exceedingly well for getting a fire going. Use a candle to get a fuel tab going and you are good to go.
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Its hard to see in the pic but I use a lighter and or matches and "trick candles". The party candles that re-light themselves when you blow them out. They are meant for kids birthday cakes but are perfect for getting a fire going. In the bottom of the pic is a green one getting this fire going: One practical field note. Once they have been used, the relighting feature is only good for the first part of the candle, after that they are just regular candles. But a few of these weigh pretty much nothing, are cheap and work exceedingly well for getting a fire going. Use a candle to get a fuel tab going and you are good to go. Brilliant. I hunt and guide in the Adirondacks through all 12 months and candles are often in a fire starting kit. Never even considered the relighting candles. I’ll have some in my pack soon. Thanks.
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I bought an exotac lighter just after new years. Nice lighter, but can be fussy when it's cold out. On a couple of occasions I had trouble igniting paper at our burn pile in very cold conditions. Might work better if carried in an inside pocket.
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I bought an exotac lighter just after new years. Nice lighter, but can be fussy when it's cold out. On a couple of occasions I had trouble igniting paper at our burn pile in very cold conditions. Might work better if carried in an inside pocket. I've never seen one. Doesn't that use ordinary lighter fluid? Is it any better than a Zippo?
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The fuel chamber is o-ring sealed so the lighter fluid doesn't evaporate out as quickly. A Zippo will lose it's fuel by evaporation in pretty short order.
But overall I'm gonna say that my Zippo works better in cold conditions than my Exotac does, within the limited testing I've done.
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The fuel chamber is o-ring sealed so the lighter fluid doesn't evaporate out as quickly. A Zippo will lose it's fuel by evaporation in pretty short order.
But overall I'm gonna say that my Zippo works better in cold conditions than my Exotac does, within the limited testing I've done. You can use a bicycle inner tube that fits snug over a Zippo and it will slow the evaporation/leakage of the fluid.
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The fuel chamber is o-ring sealed so the lighter fluid doesn't evaporate out as quickly. A Zippo will lose it's fuel by evaporation in pretty short order.
But overall I'm gonna say that my Zippo works better in cold conditions than my Exotac does, within the limited testing I've done. You can use a bicycle inner tube that fits snug over a Zippo and it will slow the evaporation/leakage of the fluid. I've done that for a long time. It slows it down but doesn't stop it.
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huh interesting idea Its hard to see in the pic but I use a lighter and or matches and "trick candles". The party candles that re-light themselves when you blow them out. They are meant for kids birthday cakes but are perfect for getting a fire going. In the bottom of the pic is a green one getting this fire going: One practical field note. Once they have been used, the relighting feature is only good for the first part of the candle, after that they are just regular candles. But a few of these weigh pretty much nothing, are cheap and work exceedingly well for getting a fire going. Use a candle to get a fuel tab going and you are good to go.
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late to this topic, but I have had one of these for about a year and a half…charges quick, never fails, and has the 100 lumen flashlight too! https://tacticalgear.com/mission-made-tactical-torch-blackDoc_Holidude
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Rem oil, Kleenex, and a vehicle cigarette lighter.
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