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Originally Posted by Rossimp
Less money and less recoil with the 308 Norma, plus the 308 Norma is, IMO one the best .30 magnums. Seriously accurate due to long case neck and better concentric bore alignment. Shorter case than most .30 Std Mags, better able to load heavy for caliber with BC advantages. Lacks in nothing, with modern powders and twist rate, it’ll push 180 gr @ 3,075 fps, 200 gr @ 2900 fps, 212 gr @ 2,850 fps and 225 gr @ 2,750 fps. With high BC bullet technology it is a real winner. Easily can take deer size game up through brown bear from close or long range. While the 358 Norma is a suburb chamber it lacks the versatility of the 308 Norma in IMO and is more in line with shooting a 375 magnum, which is fine if you like recoil, heavier rifles, stout cross bolts for stock protection under recoil, and less bullet choice versatility. The 358 Norma would make a fine, specialized guide gun for big browns, the 308 Norma is a better hunter’s field gun IMO.

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Tough question - .358 is a weak diameter bullet-wise but I'd rather have the medium bore, especially if a grizzly is on the agenda. Hence why I built a .375 WSM that will likely be used for all elk applications going forward. If I had to choose I'd take the .358 I think and try the 250gr Partition or Weldcore. The A-Frame's BC is a little hard to stomach but an option too. I use it in my .375.

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Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
Tough question - .358 is a weak diameter bullet-wise but I'd rather have the medium bore, especially if a grizzly is on the agenda. Hence why I built a .375 WSM that will likely be used for all elk applications going forward. If I had to choose I'd take the .358 I think and try the 250gr Partition or Weldcore. The A-Frame's BC is a little hard to stomach but an option too. I use it in my .375.

You'll get more penetration with a 200gr partition in the 308 Norma. Something like the load I posted above would work wonders.


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Did I read someplace that the small ring actions are only recommended for standard rounds? Or was that some hybrid like the FN small-ring with large-ring barrels?

There are a multiple versions of the small-ring Mauser. The 93, 94, 95, and 96 started off as military designs subject to the metallurgy of the day. I'd be wary of chambering a custom for a belted magnum on any of them.

In the 1960s, Husqvarna made an "improved" small-ring Mauser out of modern steel with most of the features of the 98 Mauser. You see these most commonly as the Model 1640, but they were also sold with different model numbers depending on the type of stock and some other variations. Some were chambered for 7mm Remington Magnum and other belted magnum cartridges so they're definitely strong enough. The first variations of these had steel bottom metal; later ones were alloy. I'd hold out for steel if I were using this action.


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My minimum for elk hunting in griz country is a 300 Wby. Making that fit into your Husky would be difficult. I do have a 338-06 AI, but have never hunted it. If the elk are gonna be 350 or less, I reach for my 358 Norma and never feel under gunned. If I expect the elk to be over 350, I'll take the 300 Wby. The days of elk hunting with a 270 Win are over if griz are nearby.


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Not familiar with what bullet selection is available for the .358 NM . If the bullet selection is good I would go with the .358 Norma . If not the .308 NM with the 200 grain Partition would be my second choice.

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Originally Posted by beretzs
358 Norma for me. Just for grins. Love the big 35’s.


+1. Can get some good heavies such as the 275 or 310 Woodleighs or a 275 A-Frame. I'd bet the 225 TSX would be a damn good one too.

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358 Norma.

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I’ve loaded 308 Norma for a friend’s Husqvarna rifle he used for caribou & elk. Shot very well with 180 grail in TTSX & max load of IMR 4350 but he likes his less stout loads, mine were 100% on 4 caribou he’s killed several elk with his loads & multiple times in Grizzly country.

This is a capable modern elk rifle & would work for Bear if needed. As a primary bear gun I’d go bigger than 35 caliber myself.

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If you go the 358 route, let me know, I have an extra set of dies that I would part with.


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My guide showing off my Colorado bull shot with .338 Win Mag with Texas heart shot running away beyond 100 yards.
The same rifle and Winchester 230 grain ammo did well in RSA too, making one shot kills on7 critters from Impala to Eland.


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Available ammunition? Dies? A 308 will shoot flatter and todays bullets are not our father's. But I never heard anyone wish they had a smaller gun for dangerous game. Assuming you are not recoil shy. You cant flinch and miss fast enough to stop anything.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
From what little I got to play with the 358 NM that would be my pick. I have dies and half box of DT 180 TTSX (other half is once fired brass) I'll trade you for some components if you go this route! I base that on the "almost" 358NM velocities/kills I made with a very hot loaded 35 whelen Improved,200X2970; 250X at 2550; 250 NP at 2750!; 310 Woodleigh 2415fps ; its a killer and still reaches way out there! Oh yeah! smile



Just go with a 9.3x62 shooting 250gr Nosler accubonds @ 2650fps. This will hammer a grizz if you bump into one and reach out there for elk also


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Assuming you are not recoil shy. You cant flinch and miss fast enough to stop anything.

That’s a strong, and likely erroneous, assumption for most people.

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Originally Posted by crshelton
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My guide showing off my Colorado bull shot with .338 Win Mag with Texas heart shot running away beyond 100 yards.
The same rifle and Winchester 230 grain ammo did well in RSA too, making one shot kills on7 critters from Impala to Eland.


Yeah the 338 Win Mag doesn’t get much love anymore, but it is one hellava field cartridge on most any game around the globe. 160 gr-300 gr class bullets are about as good as it gets for versatility for a one gun hunter. Great bullet designs, great terminal ballistics, and great selection of ammunition worldwide. I’ve always favored mine for elk in my younger days and it never disappointed. These days I’m more inclined to utilize my 308 Win.

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Originally Posted by Rossimp
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My guide showing off my Colorado bull shot with .338 Win Mag with Texas heart shot running away beyond 100 yards.
The same rifle and Winchester 230 grain ammo did well in RSA too, making one shot kills on7 critters from Impala to Eland.


Yeah the 338 Win Mag doesn’t get much love anymore, but it is one hellava field cartridge on most any game around the globe. 160 gr-300 gr class bullets are about as good as it gets for versatility for a one gun hunter. Great bullet designs, great terminal ballistics, and great selection of ammunition worldwide. I’ve always favored mine for elk in my younger days and it never disappointed. These days I’m more inclined to utilize my 308 Win.



I think the .338WM is pretty hard to beat. I have had 2 built one on a ZG-47 (large ring) and one on a g33/40 (small ring). Both have been used to take elk <100yds to 400+yds.

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Elmer was right about the .33's.........and Jack was somewhat right about the .277's.

Who championed the .24/6mm's?

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Elmer wouldn't even likely deem it an adequate coyote rifle.





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Originally Posted by Teeder
I know it wasn't listed as a choice, but you could split the difference and go .338 mag.

now you are talking sense

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358 Norma. It'll launch at 250 partition fast enough to expand at 400-450 yards and a 225 accubond out to 600 yards.

To me the 300 Norma is great if you're building a rifle you intend to shoot a lot further.

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