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does anyone in the states breed and or hunt DD DK that have a high fur drive?
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I'm not sure what is considered high fur drive. However I currently own 2 DD and had another one who has passed away. My first DD hated cats and would take one out at any chance, I lost count of how many she took out (probably in the 20s), she got a couple of ground hogs too. We don't really go after fur while hunting but it adds to the adventure while on walks or bird hunting. My current dog in the last 3 years while on walks or bird hunting has killed a mountain lion cub, 6 or so raccoons and a couple of feral house cats. My puppy was learning the game when my older dog was fighting the raccoons, always righ there in the mix but did not jump on the raccoon but she did start chasing them by the end of the hunt (she was about 6 months old at the time). I could deer hunt with my older dog, she has pointed many-many bedded deer while bird hunting. She has pointed and chased several coyotes and foxes but never able to catch one. She has chased a black bear, and last year we had a nice point that turned out to be a black bear that surprised me when I flushed it! They also point rattle snakes and porcupines. I have a friend who has used his 2 DDs to hunt mountain lions here in Montana, I think in the last 2 seasons they've treed at least 4 lions and harvested at least 2 of them. I'd say most DDs have a pretty high fur drive. High enough that I want to hunt 2 dogs together to look out for each other when one tangles with a big old raccoon. I have hunted with other dogs who showed no interest or desire to jump in and help with the raccoons. Because of the DD fur drive I always carry a 22 pistol while out on walks to help the fights end faster if needed. I hope this helps
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I'm not sure what is considered high fur drive. However I currently own 2 DD and had another one who has passed away. My first DD hated cats and would take one out at any chance, I lost count of how many she took out (probably in the 20s), she got a couple of ground hogs too. We don't really go after fur while hunting but it adds to the adventure while on walks or bird hunting. My current dog in the last 3 years while on walks or bird hunting has killed a mountain lion cub, 6 or so raccoons and a couple of feral house cats. My puppy was learning the game when my older dog was fighting the raccoons, always righ there in the mix but did not jump on the raccoon but she did start chasing them by the end of the hunt (she was about 6 months old at the time). I could deer hunt with my older dog, she has pointed many-many bedded deer while bird hunting. She has pointed and chased several coyotes and foxes but never able to catch one. She has chased a black bear, and last year we had a nice point that turned out to be a black bear that surprised me when I flushed it! They also point rattle snakes and porcupines. I have a friend who has used his 2 DDs to hunt mountain lions here in Montana, I think in the last 2 seasons they've treed at least 4 lions and harvested at least 2 of them. I'd say most DDs have a pretty high fur drive. High enough that I want to hunt 2 dogs together to look out for each other when one tangles with a big old raccoon. I have hunted with other dogs who showed no interest or desire to jump in and help with the raccoons. Because of the DD fur drive I always carry a 22 pistol while out on walks to help the fights end faster if needed. I hope this helps cool the reason i ask the old man that told me about the breed said when he was younger on his parents ranche his pointed birds brought back ducks and treed bobcats and coons and run down rabbits fox and bayed up coyotes hogs and deer. that got me to reading about the breeds seems like there were areas in germany there were areas were fur game like rabbits fox hogs and deer were more common then birds whice would be like around here. then i found out the few people that had them in the southeast were i am at would take the same pair of dogs that hunted bobwhits or doves with and throw them on a coyote or hog track and have a good chanch of running them down. so it sounded like a pair of them could take down just about anything around here.
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jonboy900 your PM mailbox is full sorry man seem it will not let me get them yet being a new guy
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A pair of drahts could take down a lot of things in KY I would think. My second male is 1 year old now and my older one is 4. The older one is very fur sharp. Young one has not had any chance yet but being the older dogs cousin, I anticipate he will as well. I run them together some but tend to alternate them. They are a cool breed that is very intelligent, athletic, and close with their trainers. I'll have nothing but them from here on out. Older one retrieving a coyote I shot while sharptail hunting.
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jonboy900 I will add that although the fur sharpness adds to the adventure there is always a risk. I have a friend who's big male DD was killed by a big nasty raccoon. The DDs may be tuff but bad things can and do happen. I happen to live in big predator country, grizzlies, black bears, wolves and mountain lions and I always worry about bad things when we are out.
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oh yeah i know that all to well being raised by coon hunters i have seen more then one big hound get cut up by a big bore coon, which from the little bit i have found of guys hunting predators run 2-3 DD togother and some times even bigger catch dogs with them
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Know a guy in S AL that breeds and tests DK's. He has some trained in Brinsel (?) work. Not sure if I spelled that right.
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jonboy900 I will add that although the fur sharpness adds to the adventure there is always a risk. I have a friend who's big male DD was killed by a big nasty raccoon. The DDs may be tuff but bad things can and do happen. I happen to live in big predator country, grizzlies, black bears, wolves and mountain lions and I always worry about bad things when we are out. agree. They are bred to go after smaller game like rabbits, not coons, cats, badgers coyotes. They' ll track larger game well. Ask the guys that hunt birds out west and their DD's keep going after porcupines, badgers, skunks very aggressively. You should see the damage and vet bills a DD experiences after it keeps attacking a porcupine or badger and can't get called off by its owner. I ran into a guy hunting out in Montana a few years ago whose DD was just killed by a badger. His prey drive was so strong the owner could not get him off. great breed but vet for their prey drive something to think about
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They'll go after whatever you let them go after. I've been teaching "Leave It" with the use of a collar and at year 1, I expect 100% compliance. Youngest just did his VJP test and when the chukar flushed and he took about 8 running steps after it, I commanded "Leave It" and he immediately stopped and returned to me. Collars not allowed on test days of course. So the desire is there but if you are going to run one, you'd better have strong control on them. Older one will jump deer and ignore them now with no issues.
That said, a porky can deliver a lot of damage before you even know what is going on if the dog is working at a distance. Have had other breeds get involved with them too though.
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They'll go after whatever you let them go after. I've been teaching "Leave It" with the use of a collar and at year 1, I expect 100% compliance. Youngest just did his VJP test and when the chukar flushed and he took about 8 running steps after it, I commanded "Leave It" and he immediately stopped and returned to me. Collars not allowed on test days of course. So the desire is there but if you are going to run one, you'd better have strong control on them. Older one will jump deer and ignore them now with no issues.
That said, a porky can deliver a lot of damage before you even know what is going on if the dog is working at a distance. Have had other breeds get involved with them too though. "leave it" command very important.
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I used to breed Drahthaar’s and routinely used them on wild hogs. They would catch on smaller pigs and bay up larger ones.
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I use my DD to keep bears out of our yard. He started doing that on his own at 6 months of age. He's just not afraid of them like he should be.
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