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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: Bluumoon] #16397463 09/01/21
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And I could certainly do a better job of reining in my snark.

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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: Bluumoon] #16397688 09/01/21
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that load you lookin fer is called the 300 WSM


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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: Bluumoon] #16402333 09/03/21
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I know how to read pressure gents. Never had a sticky extraction. Primers still had rounded edges. No ejector marks of any kind. No expansion near the web of the case. I found that TAC is only 20-40 FPS faster in my longer barreled 308s.

Velocity checked on Labradar and MagnetoSpeed. As a responsible sportsman and shooter I would not have posted a load that was marginal on pressure. I shoot some like that but would never post them for the world to see.

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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: Bluumoon] #16402364 09/03/21
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I hear good things about Hammer Bullets, and CFE-223. With this powder and 152 grain Hammer Hunter Bullet reach velocity over 3000 fps.

You can always use your Google or other search engine to look this up.

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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: prairie_goat] #16402365 09/03/21
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Originally Posted by prairie_goat
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Might want to double check your data, hero.


You check it, hero.

https://www.ramshot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/WesternPowdersHandloadingGuide8.0_WEB.pdf

My copy was a little older, but the new load book from Ramshot sure isn't in the 75K MPSI range if he adds 0.3 grains to the Sierra load.

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I know you were an officer, so I suppose I'll have to dumb it down for you. 46 grains is significantly different than the 57 to 61 in your post (that's more powder than a 30-06 will use with TAC and 155s). 2925 fps in an 18.5" barrel is more than Ramshot is achieving with their 24" barrel. A barrel 5.5" shorter than the test barrel is going to be slower, not faster. So, since velocity equals pressure, the 18.5" 2925 fps load in question is either a: significantly over pressure in order to achieve such high velocity, or b: the poster's chronograph is off.


The Barnes Data is what I used since the 155 Scenar is longer than the typical 155 grain bullet from any other maker because the entire nose is hollow almost to the ogive...maybe a little past. Maximum was 48.2 grains of powder to yield 2980ish FPS. Try it and see. In contrast a 46.2 grains of Varget with all the same components yields 2775 from the rifle above. 2812 from a 20 inch. And 2889 from a 22 inch. Some powders peak faster than others.

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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: smokepole] #16402917 09/03/21
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Originally Posted by smokepole
155 Scenar and Varget for 2,950 with no issues. 24" barrel.



This is my max too. If I think I need more I have other rifles that can provide that too.


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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: Bluumoon] #16403408 09/04/21
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Found this:

308 (riceman) 124 Hammer Hunter - 25”bbl
Lee FCD crimped
WLR
2.728
.070 off
CFE 223
53.0gr

3236
Should get 3100 with
std length bbl

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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: Bluumoon] #16403585 09/04/21
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It's no big trick to get 3000 fps with a 150gr Hornady sp interloc with a Max charge of LVR that's safe in my Ruger M77 308 22"barrel.


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Re: Fastest safe .308 win round you have worked up? [Re: bluejay75] #16407864 09/05/21
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Originally Posted by bluejay75
Originally Posted by prairie_goat
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Might want to double check your data, hero.


You check it, hero.

https://www.ramshot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/WesternPowdersHandloadingGuide8.0_WEB.pdf

My copy was a little older, but the new load book from Ramshot sure isn't in the 75K MPSI range if he adds 0.3 grains to the Sierra load.

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I know you were an officer, so I suppose I'll have to dumb it down for you. 46 grains is significantly different than the 57 to 61 in your post (that's more powder than a 30-06 will use with TAC and 155s). 2925 fps in an 18.5" barrel is more than Ramshot is achieving with their 24" barrel. A barrel 5.5" shorter than the test barrel is going to be slower, not faster. So, since velocity equals pressure, the 18.5" 2925 fps load in question is either a: significantly over pressure in order to achieve such high velocity, or b: the poster's chronograph is off.


The Barnes Data is what I used since the 155 Scenar is longer than the typical 155 grain bullet from any other maker because the entire nose is hollow almost to the ogive...maybe a little past. Maximum was 48.2 grains of powder to yield 2980ish FPS. Try it and see. In contrast a 46.2 grains of Varget with all the same components yields 2775 from the rifle above. 2812 from a 20 inch. And 2889 from a 22 inch. Some powders peak faster than others.


The online Barnes data showing 48.2 grains as max is with 150s. Their 155 Match Burner data tops out at 46.6 grains, for 2904 fps.....in a 24" barrel.

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155 Matchburner is 1.256 in. long
155 Scenar is 1.290 in. long
150 Barnes TSX is 1.301 in. long

Might be an oversimplification, but it feels safer going with the longer bullet data and stop if I saw pressure or since this is a hunting gun, show any signs of flash. I actually went up to 47.5 and besides having a wide plateau in speed the SD and ES and group sizes were larger.

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Higher than expected velocity is a pressure sign. Overall bullet length isn't as important as bearing surface when it comes to pressure.

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I have never tried to work up a fast 308 load. I work for accuracy and what ever speed the bullet goes ,it goes. I chronograph only after I get satisfactory accuracy. I like to have all my 150 grain bullets in the 2675 to 2750 range, and near the same for 165s.
I like to see 180 go 2475 to 2550 from my 308s

If that for some reason seems as it it's not powerful enough I take out a more powerful rifle.

I I have 270s the shoot 150s at the top end of 2900 and one that touches 3000. I have a few 30-06 that can drive the same bullets as my 308s a bit faster with very good accuracy. (as if that mattered)

If even more is wanted I have a 358 Winchester, two 9.3X57s, a 9.3X74R a 9.3X62 and a 375H&H and a 404 Jeffery.

So I see no reason to hotrod any gun just to hot rod it.

If it shoots well with a hot safe load, that's great. My 25-06 and two of my 270s do just that,. But I shoot what seems to do well for accuracy with good game bullets' that don't break up badly on impact. I don't care about speed for speed's sake.

My 6.5, both of my 308s, one of my 30-06s and my 8X57 all shoot best with moderate loads and they kill things just fine. I have been doing it for a LOT of years and have learned that chancing more velocity just to make a bullet go faster is mostly a waist of time in the real world for hunting.

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Yep,

I will take accuracy over another 50-75 FPS every time.


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In fact, I'll take better accuracy over even 100-125 FPS every time

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I’ve had good results, accuracy and on-game performance, running .308s a couple of grains off the top, pretty much like a .300 Savage, but my shots are close. With a new one on the way, I invested in some 130gr TTSXs just to see if they're all they’re cracked up to be. 3100 is supposed to be doable with those; even 3200. We shall see.


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Originally Posted by prairie_goat
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I shoot the Lapua Scenar 155 with Ramshot Tac 46.0 grains at 2925 from an 18.5 inch barrel. Sub moa and single digit SDs.



I'll bet that's pushing 75 ksi


Agreed.


I use 46 of TAC over 150 NBT all the time. I think it's fairly common max load for TAC and 150s. I get 2850 fps from 20" barrel.


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Yes. And an additional 75 fps from an inch and a half shorter barrel, with a heavier bullet, means higher pressure.

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Originally Posted by scottfromdallas
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I shoot the Lapua Scenar 155 with Ramshot Tac 46.0 grains at 2925 from an 18.5 inch barrel. Sub moa and single digit SDs.



I'll bet that's pushing 75 ksi


Agreed.


I use 46 of TAC over 150 NBT all the time. I think it's fairly common max load for TAC and 150s. I get 2850 fps from 20" barrel.


And easily Submoa most times you pull the trigger. Has that been your experience?

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I use 46 of TAC over 150 NBT all the time. I think it's fairly common max load for TAC and 150s. I get 2850 fps from 20" barrel.


And easily Submoa most times you pull the trigger. Has that been your experience?


Yes. I used that combo for a few years on whitetail, hog, javelina and mule deer. Nothing took a step and it always exited even through both shoulders of an old mule deer.



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Originally Posted by Pappy348
I’ve had good results, accuracy and on-game performance, running .308s a couple of grains off the top, pretty much like a .300 Savage, but my shots are close. With a new one on the way, I invested in some 130gr TTSXs just to see if they're all they’re cracked up to be. 3100 is supposed to be doable with those; even 3200. We shall see.

Pappy348, you can do it with TAC.....those 130's are the ticket in a 308, can be pushed to 270 speed.


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