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I also have elderly ( vaccinated ) relatives and friends for whom an un-mitigated infection has a significantly higher risk of negative outcome : witness our maxed out healthcare system.

People are actually resorting to Quacks with veterinary “cures”.

I get the impression that you want the virus to win.

I had to drop into the hospital for a minor procedure a while back. Naturally, I expected to see barely contained chaos as the over worked staff struggled to deal with the flood of virus stricken people. Instead, I walked into a calm, quiet, environment; not unlike a public library. The only thing maxxing out our health care system is that they are choking on their own bureaucracy. Administrators are penny wise and dollar stupid.
Meanwhile, there was an outbreak in a local long term care facility. Apparently, the virus was brought in by a fully vaxxed staff member. Go figure.
The vaccinated people can still get the virus, still carry the virus, and still infect others. Even those who are willing mask wearers catch, carry, and spread the virus. On the bright side, the only way you will achieve real immunity is to catch it and survive. Vaxxed or not, the odds of surviving are dramatically in your favour. If you are an old, fat, diabetic, your future may not be so bright. GD

greydog;
Good morning to you sir, I hope the air's clearing up in your part of the province and all else is going more than less according to plan.

It's interesting to read of your experience in the hospital, that's good to know some places in the province aren't overrun.

We were really slammed with fentanyl OD's here at Penticton hospital before the beer flu and I can't imagine it's any better now, but haven't been to the hospital in about 2 years now as my Mom and Mother in Law both passed so we're not there as often.

When Mom fell and broke her hip for instance, she went in for scheduled surgery at 10:00AM but didn't get the surgery until 5:00PM because the doctors were too busy with ODs... that from a very frustrated nurse who gave me that information when I went in to check on Mom.

Anyways, as 673 well said, I thing the most logical reason to get the shot is to minimize the strain on our maxed out healthcare system.

That and in my opinion if one ever wants to get on a plane and sit on a beach by a tropical ocean, shots will likely be required.

All the best to you all sir and good luck on your hunts.

Dwayne

673, I let you in on a secret, in life you are always learning.

I really think mistrust of Government is bigger in peoples minds, rather than the shot itself, is a big part of why the shot isn't more well received. The media is also viewed with suspicion by many people here in this Province, not sure about other Provinces.

CBC radio today, and yesterday, they are really pounding this one.....hilarious....It was about the protests over the wuhan mandate and passport etc...and what do you think??

Imagine the odds of every caller agreeing that the protests were in bad taste and hurtful, even bringing tears. I was astounded that every single caller was against a peaceful protest, simply amazing....Fake.

Some guy even said they have blocked traffic and created quite the issue snarling traffic and inconveniencing people, take it to twitter..... That guy was Vancouver Mayor Kennedy Stewart, the same guy who only a short time ago allowed and glorified ghey protest, native protest, pipeline protest, every kind of protest in his own community, to the point of chaos...a complete hypocrite.

We are to be reassured by these media clowns? Or Trudeau with his woke cabinet? or the NDP here in BC with their full blown agenda driven shyte show??

Perhaps the various Governments should look at their own actions during the initial stages of this Pandemic and where we are today? Instead of figuring out ways to threaten and punish its Citizens.

Dwayne,
I have no doubt that OD's and the wasted resources associated with them, have a much greater impact on hospital function. I would suspect this is the case in Florida as well. GD

That's funny, I don't hear much about the strain these guys put on our healthcare system. The paramedics, doctors, nurses who routinely treat these people is a massive drain on our resources.

They also don't mention the businesses that close because of the abuse they and their employees face daily, feces, puke, needles, theft, physical abuse of our citizens, and shamefully the abuse of the elderly who simply walk around town to conduct their business in the last part of their lives are abused in virtually every way.
Why doesn't the medical community rally about this issue? .........crickets.

The medical community has never said...lets imprison/deport anyone who has been convicted of Fentanyl, meth etc production and distribution, there is a full blown epidemic going on here. Yet, they rally for gun control without hesitation.

II find it interesting OD crisis and unvaccinated are being lumped together.

There is a claim made, is one more important than the other?........Why does one issue get massive attention, the other gets nothing?

The video says it all.

Health officials project grim 4th wave if vaccinations don’t increase
CBC News

The Public Health Agency of Canada released new modelling that suggested a fourth wave could again overwhelm hospitals and put Canadians at risk. The hyper-contagious delta variant leaves provinces with limited options: either raise the vaccination rate or increase restrictions.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1942197827987

I wonder if this IDIOT ever heard of Gov over reach ,and give them an inch and they will take a mile .
Just another PAWN in a hourd of them.

norm

some years ago and often quoted is that kids will eat a pound of dirt , and going to school is a [[cold or other infection in the making]],,I was told years ago that this just inhances our imune system , the more we are exposed the better our system is [ no not all people fit into this], but with every thing that we touch being covered with anti bacterial and cleaning sprays ,i believe that our imune systems are being compromised by being TOO clean.
Give me a break i dont wash my hands 10 times a day ,i handle diesel ,oil grease and dirt every day ,i even use the same frying pan 2-6 times before wiping it down , no i am not a pig pen ,i am in my mid 70s and am not paranoid of the future

norm

what are these "quack cures" chicken little? Another cowardly uneducated fool. How did your socialized medicine vaccine roll out go in Canada this year? lmao

I was told by firemen in our city that the majority of their calls, as well as ambulance calls, are to overdoses. Day after day, shift after shift. Every overdose that requires treatment (narcan) has to go to the ER unless the patient refuses. Trip after trip to the ER, occupying ambulances, hospitals beds and taking the time of ER docs and nurses.
Earlier this week I had to take a family member to the ER and got to witness it first hand. The place was slammed. I was there for 9 hours with family member, he was there for 2 nights.
The majority of what I witnessed in the 9 hours I was there seemed to be mostly split into two groups. One group appeared drug related. The other group was obese people. There were a small number of elderly patients, injuries, cuffed inmate escorted by corrections and seemingly unstable people accompanied by RCMP.

There was at least one screaming junkie strapped to a bed beside us while I was there, and more unconscious. An obese person wheeled themselves past us in a wheelchair using their leg to push. The leg was grotesque(rotting) and the other leg missing up to the knee and recent bandaged. I’m assuming type 2 diabetic because a pharmacist I know that works at the hospital says it’s a revolving door of obese type 2’s coming and going getting lower limbs removed.
I know it’s just one mans 9 hour experience, but it was interesting.

I think our hospitals are already stretched with these two majority groups.

I remember waiting in emergency with my jaw hanging open because it had been bashed by a jack handle at work. I was waiting and waiting in extreme pain to get seen by a doctor and person after person (escorted by police) were bypassing me
to see the doctor that had some kind of drug issue.

One of them was even cursing the doctor because he wanted a doctor he was familiar with from earlier drug episodes.
I remember getting very angry and threatening to trash the place unless I was seen.

I couldn't believe a working man injured in an accident couldn't get seen because the priority were the drug overdosed that had screwed themselves up. They could have a life threatening situation but you're just in pain so just wait for an opening, I was told. What BullShit!!

mod7rem;
Good evening to you sir, I hope that otherwise the Labour Day weekend was a good one for you.

While you didn't say which city you're in, I'm going to make a semi-educated guess it wouldn't matter much in any of the larger centers or the Okanagan as we're the spots where the OD issues seem most prevalent.

Again this was a couple years back, but I got to know an ER head nurse and a couple of the local RCMP officers through my work at the time.

The ER nurse was about my age I'd guess, so pushing 60 and no longer overflowing with patience for downright stupid and self destructive behavior. She was of the opinion that there needed to be some sort of limit set on the number of times they'd kick start the same OD addict as she knew some of them by name and told me some were in pretty much weekly.

Obviously they're not long for this world regardless, but just as obviously our medical care system can't deal with that much strain on it and effectively deal with seniors with health issues, much less give world class cancer care to those of us who've paid taxes here for decades.

The other example was a younger RCMP Constable who said he'd been in for less than a decade, but was considering getting into a different line of work because he was beginning to hate people - certain people anyways - and he acknowledged that just wasn't healthy for anyone.

One way or another we as a society and province here in BC are going to have to make some hard decisions in the not too distant future regarding what we'll be able to afford to tolerate and what we just will not be able to afford any longer.

That's my biggest complaint with both Crown Prince Shiny Pony, Hangover Bill and Krystia the journalism student, is that they're incapable of understanding everything has a cost attached and someone absolutely will be paying for it. There always is.

I'll add Mr. Singh to that as well as he's chosen to prop up the dog and pony show and seems to not understand basic math either.

Anyways, I'm hoping that perhaps enough of our fellow Canucks are beginning to awaken and understand that a few things besides the NHL stats might actually matter in their lives and for sure their kids' lives. Let us all hope so, eh?

All the best and good luck on your hunts.

Dwayne

My weekends going good Dwayne, thanks. I hope yours is as well. I live in Prince George.
Unfortunately we have a couple of epidemics going on in Canada. Drug use, and everything associated with obesity and inactivity. When a person stops and looks around at people going about daily lives, it’s shocking how many people are obese in all age groups. It’s so common now that people obviously 30-50 lbs overweight, are not even considered abnormal anymore. I think the growing strain of metabolic disease in our health care system is going to become overwhelming in the near future if our society doesn’t make some big changes. Like I said earlier, I think the system is already stressed and now a lot of experts feel Covid will be a new endemic problem for us to add to the strain.

Sorry, I know it’s not a positive thought.
All the best to you.

mod7rem;
Good morning to you sir, thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

It's interesting for me to read that the OD situation is bad up in PG as well. That's a wee bit troubling news to be honest, but not entirely surprising.

I've only been through that part of the world a couple times, once to and from a goat hunt up in Telegraph Creek and once up to Prince Rupert, then to what was then the Queen Charlotte's, after which we did the Queen of the North down to Port Hardy. That Queen of the North by the way was then one that sank years later in '06.

You are not wrong either, in my opinion and observation, about the higher number of our fellow Canucks that are 30lb-50lbs overweight. Down here I'm seeing a bunch of younger folks who I'm pretty sure I could walk into the ground even at my age, much less take them up into the mountains where we hunt.

Indeed sir although it's not a positive thought, we need to be honest with ourselves first if we're going to find solutions to some of these issues.

Thanks again and all the best once again on your hunts this fall.

Dwayne

When we look at the health crisis, we only see what's up front. We fail to see the hidden costs. In the '60s Jack Wsserman, the Vancouver Sun columnist wrote on the other costs of drug addition , increased insurance costs and increased prices at the retail to cover the loses from drug addicts feeding their habit. .

The relationship between the high volume of Wuhan patients and drug addicts, can be both be viewed as a drain on resources. It seems contrived when the media and medical community take shots at Wuhan patients, yet drug addicts get a pass, it further undermines the confidence citizens have in Government and authority.

Questions around who will enforce the passport, and why the passport in the first place are making for total confusion.
When the Surrey board of trade, and other trade organizations rallied for the passport they didn't look past their nose.

When people are contracting Wuhan from businesses that require a passport, their plan will unravel, wait for the media shyte show to begin.

I am unaware of any business that can make a go of it with access to 70% of the population, if that. They may be able to keep their head above water, but that isn't what business owners expect, they expect a profit. Perhaps if your near retirement and/or a niche type business treading water is all that is required.

It is entertaining watching the shyte show, is there anyone who thinks this is temporary? Has anyone looked past their nose to see that some businesses will be boycotted after the passport idea is done away with?
It proves a point.....smart people can do stupid things too, this is one of them.