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Actually, the science days nobody who's had covid should be vaccinated.

I'll listen to the Cleveland Clinic over the new troll.

I suggest people listen to Dr Fauci on this issue. He has a lifetime of qualifications behind his guidance.

If you listen to Fauci over the Cleveland clinic, you're an idiot.

Maybe because the CDC tells them to?


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/06/cdc-covid-coronavirus-data-breakthrough-cases

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/30/pressure-cdc-breakthrough-cases-501821

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/worl...how-dangerous-delta-really-is/ar-AALITTB

And the CDC decided to arbitrarily decide any medical development less than 14 days after injection cannot POSSIBLY be from the Vax...

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

When your own government enlists the press as their Ministry of Truth to propagandize the unwitting US population, lots of things occur. All of the bad.

I could say follow the money, and trace the amount of money being paid to hospitals, corporate medicine, and governmental institutions to report as the CDC desires, but that would make it just way too obvious, wouldn't it?

It's easy to pay people of worthless character to all say the same thing. One just needs to find them. Then report them, and suppress the dissent. Easy peasy.

Just another sock puppet, pulling chain.

It just doesn't seem likely that ALL doctors and nurses nationwide could be dishonest, on the take or too pussified to speak up.

Absolutely,,,, I always ask for a Viral vaccine 12 to 18 months after that strain went through my area,

Losers take the 'flu' vaccine before hand.........................

So there.

Thanks for linking that informative article. He also has an article on the virtual disappearance of the flu concomitant with the emergence of CV-19. Very, very interesting....

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-disappearance-of-influenza

The Disappearance of Influenza

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The flu is gone. This is not an illusion. It's not down to the wilful or mistaken misdiagnosis of Corona or anything like that. Most countries have long-standing influenza surveillance programs, entire offices of people whose job it is to find and track the flu. These programs are still running, and influenza tests are still widely administered across the world. Despite all of this searching, nobody can find anything but a few outliers. As a seasonal phenomenon in the northern and southern hemispheres, influenza has disappeared.

There are many ways to confirm that flu is missing. To begin with, it has a very characteristic hospitalisation signature. It is dangerous to the olds, just like Corona; but it is also dangerous to infants and the very young, unlike Corona. Flu season has always caused substantial hospitalisations and deaths both in the elderly and in young children. We don't see the characteristic child mortality in our numbers, and we haven't since 2020. And then there's this: When the pandemic started, PCR tests for Corona were hard to come by, and so a lot of places tested manically for influenza to rule it out and establish SARS-2 as a probable diagnosis. Data from various countries thus provides a sharp picture of the atypically steep collapse in flu cases that occurred in March 2020, in perfect tandem with the surge in Corona infections.

Everything suggests that Corona has displaced influenza. Even if we can’t identify or even really conceive of the mechanism, Corona begins to resemble an invasive species that has disturbed the ecology of human-infecting respiratory viruses. Nobody will talk about this, because they are eager to claim any victory they can for mass containment. The absence of flu must be ascribed to lockdowns, even though flu is gone even in countries that have not locked down.

Respiratory viruses all have regional and seasonal features. That is to say, they rise and fall according to complex, intertwining, regionally varying temporal patterns. Throughout the northern hemisphere, mild yet robust rhinoviruses have a dual fall-spring seasonality. They surge before the winter viruses and after influenza, as if to avoid these heavier hitters. Most other commonly surveilled respiratory viruses, including human coronaviruses, peak around the winter solstice or just after. Influenza, finally, surges just as all these deep-winter viruses are receding, infecting the greatest number of people around March. These patterns shed curious light on the second and third waves of the Corona pandemic. The second, winter wave had typical human coronavirus timing, receding almost everywhere after December or early January. The third wave filled precisely the seasonal niche of influenza, with a March/April peak. It's almost as if Corona is playing two roles, its own and that of its defeated predecessor.

A lot of basic matters are poorly understood in the field of virology, and one of them is why waves of infection seem to spontaneously collapse, rather than continuing indefinitely until all susceptible have been taken ill. One reason seems to be that some viruses interfere with other viruses, such that the rise of one compels the decline of another. Plainly, not all pathogens are at odds with each other. Co-infections are common among the overlapping deep-winter viruses. Some viruses, however, definitely seem to exclude others, at least some of the time and in certain places. Influenza and Corona are two of these mutually exclusive viruses. Since it has killed the flu, Corona can operate both in the vacant flu season and in its own natively preferred dark winter months.

Some months ago, I suggested that Corona's victory over influenza could well represent a permanent change in the order of respiratory viruses – a revolution, perhaps a very rare one. The only conceivable historical precedent would be the Spanish Flu of 1918. While we have historical reports of influenza-like illness going back centuries, we don't have any sequenced viruses predating the second wave of this great 1918 pandemic. Before 1918, we can't be sure that seasonal flu-like illnesses were caused by influenza viruses at all. For all we know, coronaviruses were the dominant scourge prior to 1918, and their centuries-long reign was interrupted by the anomalous and highly destructive avian influenza that entered humans in that year. Perhaps the ensuing century of influenza was an unstable equilibrium, an anomaly, and Corona has restored a prior, more ordinary world.

All that's speculation, but we do know that the ensuing seasonal flus for decades afterwards were descended, directly or indirectly, from that first 1918 strain. What happened in 1918 was certainly a viral revolution, on the order of the upset Corona achieved in 2019. Much of virology, as a field, grew up in the shadow of 1918, as an attempt to understand the pandemic of that year and the obviously related seasonal infections to which it gave birth.

What happened in 1918 was unusual. The culprit was an avian H1N1 influneza A virus, but no good analogue has ever been found in birds, and no plausible animal source ever identified. The flu infected pigs just as easily as humans, and its descendents continued to afflict swine even after the reassorted H2N2 'Asian Flu' of 1957 displaced the direct progeny of the 1918 virus in human hosts.

A lot about the 1918 pandemic remains peculiar, indicative of greater things happening just beneath the surface of events. The virus hit in three waves, all of them somehow synchronised across the northern hemisphere. The first struck in spring and summer of 1918, with minimal mortality; the second in the fall and winter of 1918, with massive mortality; and the third in late winter 1919, also with considerable (though fewer) deaths. It is not certain that all of these waves were the same pathogen; infected tissue samples survive only from the second wave. Beyond this strange behaviour, the extreme pathogenicity of the influenza, with a case fatality rate of nearly 2.5%, is astounding. Later, closely related H1N1 viruses infected humans with far less carnage. This can only mean that humans everywhere were immunologically naive to this strain of flu. Other things, too, suggest that this was a wholly new moment in respiratory illnesses for humans. Historical records don't clearly attest to the regular occurrence of seasonal influenza before 1918. If my suggestion of a broader viral ecology is remotely tenable, it's possible that much of the seasonal ebb and flow of respiratory viruses is a characteristic of the world influenza A crafted for itself in the wake of 1918.

Corona has so far obeyed the patterns of that world, but maybe it won't always. Someday we will awaken from the Cult of Mass Containment with a greater openness to observing the world as it is. We will notice that reports of allergies and asthma have grown much less frequent, and that masks aren't really a plausible explanation for this. We'll notice that almost no children are dying of seasonal respiratory illnesses for a change, and we'll notice that seasonal Corona mortality has to be weighed against the missing deaths of seasonal flu. We’ll notice that, with every passing month, Corona grows less deadly, as resistance in the population grows, and we’ll begin to ask ourselves how the unstated policy goal of eradication is even remotely sensible. Destroying Corona would almost certainly mean bringing back influenza A, after much of our immunity has faded.

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Is there an audiobook version? I’m old and tired, and just took an Ambien.

That must be awfully tough when you'e stupid to begin with.

Not being familiar with Cleveland Clinic, I went to its website. Imagine my surprise to see they're not even following the science regarding getting vaccinated if you've had Covid. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/landing/covid-19-vaccine

This is a very interesting thesis and one I haven't heard before.

Just read that Cleveland Clinic page. What a complete load of horseschit.

Oh, they recommended NOT getting the vaccine if you had covid 19 and recovered based on their study data.

After a few days, they "changed" to recommend following CDC guidelines, but, if you read it, the data still shows having had covid > vaccine.

It is a very clear example of why nobody believes what is being said right now by the "experts"

Take a few more.

The only reason to demand a vaccine for those who've recovered from COVID-19 is that the vaccine is a soft kill bio-weapon meant for each and every member of the uninitiated.

And on the other side, here we have the logical fallacy of the false dichotomy.

Which vaccine ? Everybody's using different ones. The Chinks and Russkies have their own versions. If Moderna, Pfizer, Johnson and johnson, Oxford Astra zeneca are all meant to kill, why would the Chinks be on board ? Why wouldn't they just let our vaccines do their job, kill off most of the population and then just take over militarily ? Even if all Countries were on board with the idea of mass genocide via poison pill vaccines, would you be able to or even want to survive in the aftermath ? You think supplies of vehicles, groceries, guns, ammo etc. etc. are short now, just wait till 70% of the world population is dead, factories and farms are shut down for lack of people to work them and delivery trucks sit idle with nobody to drive them. Hospitals all over the country shut down for lack of doctors, nurses and staff to run them. Not a pretty picture.

If C19 similarly burns out, the politicians (especially the ones wearing white lab coats) will claim this success was due to vaxing.