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Re: 2021 Browning O/U 16s _ Updated [Re: WiFowler] #15782117 02/13/21
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On the Browning 16s, the chokes I have and those in the hands of others I know are significantly mismarked. For example, mine measure: I/C = .006” (about right); M = .010” (pretty loose); F = .042” (way over choked).

Performance of the more open chokes is about what I expect from those constrictions. Briley and others will happily sell you others to fill in the gaps.

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Originally Posted by Old Ornery
Originally Posted by WiFowler
Browning rep was at the LGS. My Citori Hunter Gr I, 16ga is on order.


WiFowler, any updates on shipping of your Browning Boatanchor (per Battue)? I ordered one but my shop can’t give me any idea what the shipping date is.

I checked out Battue’s AYA referenced SxS, it was really nice but just a little too speedy. I also saw a Winchester model 21 in GunsAmerica that was a beauty for a mere $6,995. I’ll stick to my Browning when it comes.


Misread what I meant....the boatancher comment was in reference to a SxS, if they ever make another..Their discontinued SxS Sidelock was a jewel....the BSS Models unnecessarily heavy...although they did make a European market only BSS that was much better...

I find little wrong with most Browning O/U...with the exception I don’t need one and they do little with the Citori than to put it into a different suit on a regular basis.

Really like the 20 Gauges, the Superposed and a well made B25...friend has a Belgium made Browning O/U 12 gauge that is a saber as far as weight and balance.

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Re: 2021 Browning O/U 16s _ Updated [Re: WiFowler] #15793708 02/15/21
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WiFowler, any updates on shipping of your Browning Boatanchor (per Battue)? I ordered one but my shop can’t give me any idea what the shipping date is.


I was told "shipping 3rd quarter". I'd hope it would be sooner. But, as my late grandmother always said, "good things come to those that wait."

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Originally Posted by battue
Originally Posted by Old Ornery
Originally Posted by WiFowler
Browning rep was at the LGS. My Citori Hunter Gr I, 16ga is on order.


WiFowler, any updates on shipping of your Browning Boatanchor (per Battue)? I ordered one but my shop can’t give me any idea what the shipping date is.

I checked out Battue’s AYA referenced SxS, it was really nice but just a little too speedy. I also saw a Winchester model 21 in GunsAmerica that was a beauty for a mere $6,995. I’ll stick to my Browning when it comes.


Misread what I meant....the boatancher comment was in reference to a SxS, if they ever make another..Their discontinued SxS Sidelock was a jewel....the BSS Models unnecessarily heavy...although they did make a European market only BSS that was much better...

I find little wrong with most Browning O/U...with the exception I don’t need one and they do little with the Citori than to put it into a different suit on a regular basis.

Really like the 20 Gauges, the Superposed and a well made B25...friend has a Belgium made Browning O/U 12 gauge that is a saber as far as weight and balance.


My 20 gauge BSS boat anchor (28”) at 6.5 pounds weighs about 1/2 pound less than the 16 gauge Citori I had. In reality, neither are boat anchors.

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Mine was a 12Gauge, 26inch and was much closer to 8 pounds than 7. Also had a 12 28 inch BSS made for the European market that was lighter. Nor did I say the 16 Citori was a boat anchor...

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I’ve read somewhere that the early Browning o/u’s were blocky and not very ergonomic, but they improved over time. I hope the new Citoris aren’t like my buddies Baikal.

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Originally Posted by Old Ornery
I’ve read somewhere that the early Browning o/u’s were blocky and not very ergonomic, but they improved over time.


I'll have to agree that early Citoris were 'blocky'. Not having handled one in some time, that was a major concern before I ordered the new Citori Hunter. Had hoped to handle one at SHOT, but that didn't happen. Spoke at length with a couple of Browning factory reps before I ordered and expressed this concern. I was told multiple times that the Hunter is not like the "old Citoriis". I was told to expect a stock with a feel very much like the 725 Field but w/o a palm swell, or a Lightning w/o the round knob. I was told to expect a forend very similar to the 725 Field (sans Schnobel) or the current White Lightning. The reps were very confident in their assessment and description, which lead me to order the Citoir Hunter Grade I, 16ga. We'll see if everything plays out when I get it in my hands later this year (shipping 3qtr).

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Originally Posted by WiFowler
Originally Posted by Old Ornery
I’ve read somewhere that the early Browning o/u’s were blocky and not very ergonomic, but they improved over time.


I'll have to agree that early Citoris were 'blocky'. Not having handled one in some time, that was a major concern before I ordered the new Citori Hunter. Had hoped to handle one at SHOT, but that didn't happen. Spoke at length with a couple of Browning factory reps before I ordered and expressed this concern. I was told multiple times that the Hunter is not like the "old Citoriis". I was told to expect a stock with a feel very much like the 725 Field but w/o a palm swell, or a Lightning w/o the round knob. I was told to expect a forend very similar to the 725 Field (sans Schnobel) or the current White Lightning. The reps were very confident in their assessment and description, which lead me to order the Citoir Hunter Grade I, 16ga. We'll see if everything plays out when I get it in my hands later this year (shipping 3qtr).


Update: As luck would have it, the LGS received a Gr I Hunter and Gr II Hunter, both in 12ga, today. Took the opportunity to handle/fondle both (1, 26", the other 28"). In short I'll say this, the new Hunter is somewhere between an old, blocky Citori and a Lightning. The grip area of the stock and forend are a tad thicker than the Lightning. The forend, for sure, is nowhere near as bulky as the old Citoris. I'm on the fence as to whether I like the stock or not. All this said, these were 12ga models. Potentially the 16ga stock and forend will be slightly trimmer.

In the FWIW column, the Gr I was priced at $1709; the Gr II at $1879.

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The heading said 2021 Browning O/U. To bad. I was hoping for a pic of a 2021 o/u 16 ga.

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I had a 16 ga Citori Grand Lightning. 28" barrels, beautiful blueing and wood. I shot it well but did not like to carry it for a hunting gun as it was bulky and a tad heavy. My AYA #2 RA (rounded action) with twin triggers, straight grip stock and 28" barrels carries so much better and is likely near a half a pound lighter than the Browning...but don't have specs on the Browning around anymore. Anyway, bought the Browning used, but like brand new in box with several flats of 16 ga ammo. Shot all the ammo over the years and sold the Browning to Cabelas when I moved to Canada for $600 more than I paid for the gun with the ammo several years earlier.

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I have an original 16 citori 1987 . First year they came out lightning grip 26 inch barrels beautiful wood 6 lbs 8 ounces on the money. Went through 2 labs and a bu ch of pheasants gun has been from. iowa to Montana. Lots of memory in that gun. Reflex memory is automatic I shot that gun so much

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Talked to the LGS yesterday. My 16ga Grade 1 Hunter is scheduled to ship on/about Aug 29.

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LGS called today and said the Citori Hunter, Gr I, 16ga I had ordered came in.

First impression - nice wood, physically a little heavier than expected (7# 2oz vs the advertised 6# 13oz), but the balance is pretty decent the added weight isn't that noticeable - to me. Grip/wrist is thinner than the 'standard' Citori's, but not as thin as the Lightning versions - new and old. I was hoping for a Lightning-like grip/wrist . . . .

Had the chance to compare the Browning to a F.A.I.R SLX600 16ga that was on the shelf. The F.A.I.R. was a easily a pound lighter and the grip/wrist a little thinner. Overall, the gun felt a little 'whippy', if you will. F.A.I.R. was about $120 less than the Citori Hunter. I pondered for a while, a primary concern being support/repair options should it be needed down the road, and the availability of additional chokes. Browning and Briley both offer additional 16ga Invector chokes ranging from ~$25-$75. On the other hand, Briley offers F.A.I.R chokes but on a special order basis (you send a choke in and they copy it) to the tune of ~$100 a choke. If I have a problem with the gun Browning will service it. Not sure who services F.A.I.R. - pretty sure it's not the conglomerate that imports them and other Italian guns.

In the end, I plunked my money down ($1700) and took the Citori home with me. Hopefully I'll get a chance to shoot it at some hand-thrown targets this weekend and get a feel for it.

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No word from my LGS about my Citori. It’s been a long wait time!!

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My Citori Hunter model still not in yet!! Getting inpatient now.

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Major Charles Askins, Sr. would have approved. He had a 12 ga Super because Browning didn't make a 16 ga. Super.

He was a 16 ga. fan.

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Originally Posted by WiFowler
LGS called today and said the Citori Hunter, Gr I, 16ga I had ordered came in.

First impression - nice wood, physically a little heavier than expected (7# 2oz vs the advertised 6# 13oz), but the balance is pretty decent the added weight isn't that noticeable - to me. Grip/wrist is thinner than the 'standard' Citori's, but not as thin as the Lightning versions - new and old. I was hoping for a Lightning-like grip/wrist . . . .

Had the chance to compare the Browning to a F.A.I.R SLX600 16ga that was on the shelf. The F.A.I.R. was a easily a pound lighter and the grip/wrist a little thinner. Overall, the gun felt a little 'whippy', if you will. F.A.I.R. was about $120 less than the Citori Hunter. I pondered for a while, a primary concern being support/repair options should it be needed down the road, and the availability of additional chokes. Browning and Briley both offer additional 16ga Invector chokes ranging from ~$25-$75. On the other hand, Briley offers F.A.I.R chokes but on a special order basis (you send a choke in and they copy it) to the tune of ~$100 a choke. If I have a problem with the gun Browning will service it. Not sure who services F.A.I.R. - pretty sure it's not the conglomerate that imports them and other Italian guns.

In the end, I plunked my money down ($1700) and took the Citori home with me. Hopefully I'll get a chance to shoot it at some hand-thrown targets this weekend and get a feel for it.



Well how do you like your new Citori? I’m still waiting on mine.

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