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What brand and why did you pick that brand of plate carrier do you use for Level IV body armor?

I see an upgrade in plate carrier/vest in my future due to current events.


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Re: Plate carriers [Re: David_Walter] #16433986 09/14/21
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I went with a Combat Vet owned company called Tacticon. The price for the carrier and AR500 plates was unbeatable so I bought 2 sets. They had a 4th of July special on AR600 plates so I bought another set. For what it’s being used for it more than satisfies my needs. I’ve been extremely happy with their products and their customer service.

I also found a steal of a deal on level IV FAST helmets from a different company that offers incredible protection for the price. (Under $300 for the 1 I bought). Rated for 7.62x51 147gr FMJ at PBR.

If I were wearing it daily and humping the hills I might choose different but for the intended use they are MORE than adequate and the prices can’t be beat.


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I can see why someone would have armor handy, & not trying to knock it if you do. Maybe I'm stupid , but if someone were wearing armor & I wanted to hurt them I'd shoot for the legs, pelvis or neck. All easy shots with a rifle. Wouldn't you agree?


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Originally Posted by Jiveturkey
I can see why someone would have armor handy, & not trying to knock it if you do. Maybe I'm stupid , but if someone were wearing armor & I wanted to hurt them I'd shoot for the legs, pelvis or neck. All easy shots with a rifle. Wouldn't you agree?

I'd shoot them right between the eyes.. but that's just me..


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So would I

But most people are not smart


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by Jiveturkey
I can see why someone would have armor handy, & not trying to knock it if you do. Maybe I'm stupid , but if someone were wearing armor & I wanted to hurt them I'd shoot for the legs, pelvis or neck. All easy shots with a rifle. Wouldn't you agree?

I'd shoot them right between the eyes.. but that's just me..


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Originally Posted by Jiveturkey
I can see why someone would have armor handy, & not trying to knock it if you do. Maybe I'm stupid , but if someone were wearing armor & I wanted to hurt them I'd shoot for the legs, pelvis or neck. All easy shots with a rifle. Wouldn't you agree?


I didn't think it was all that easy to shoot specific parts or extremeties, but I got out and became a nurse.

Oh, and I've got a few carriers, but my light level 4 plates are in an LBT carrier.

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Re: Plate carriers [Re: David_Walter] #16434994 09/14/21
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Originally Posted by David_Walter
What brand and why did you pick that brand of plate carrier do you use for Level IV body armor?

I see an upgrade in plate carrier/vest in my future due to current events.



I've only used what's issued, and they haven't been great.


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Re: Plate carriers [Re: Jiveturkey] #16435007 09/14/21
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Originally Posted by Jiveturkey
I can see why someone would have armor handy, & not trying to knock it if you do. Maybe I'm stupid , but if someone were wearing armor & I wanted to hurt them I'd shoot for the legs, pelvis or neck. All easy shots with a rifle. Wouldn't you agree?


Extremities are very survivable, the neck is hard to hit, and the pelvis is a small target that's not always reliable. Armor protects the largest parts of you, that move the least, that are the most dangerous.

It's like wearing a motorcycle helmet.


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Re: Plate carriers [Re: Jiveturkey] #16436816 09/15/21
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Originally Posted by Jiveturkey
I can see why someone would have armor handy, & not trying to knock it if you do. Maybe I'm stupid , but if someone were wearing armor & I wanted to hurt them I'd shoot for the legs, pelvis or neck. All easy shots with a rifle. Wouldn't you agree?



That is a great theory.

In reality there are a whole lot of combat vets that are alive today because they wore armor and that armor saved them from death or serious injury. Also sometimes the chest plates do things like save you from major injuries when you start playing "Lets ram the shidt out of each other with our vehicles to get this party started!".

Speaking of vehicles. It is pretty easy to get shredded into hamburger if you are in an effective attack.

See a picture of my vehicle below.

It is very easy to get have your lungs deflated when they have chunks of flying metal rip them apart.

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People can choose to go without armor if they want, relying on "Hope" as their strategy, or they think they are so high speed that they will shoot every single opponent first that they encounter (often simultaneously, and at different ranges, elevations and angles) , and come through without a scratch, due to their obviously incredible skill sets.

Personally when in environments where the threat posture dictates a heightened response, I will take the added personal protection equipment.


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Re: Plate carriers [Re: David_Walter] #16436986 09/15/21
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What do you suggest? From where / who?

Thanks.

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Body armor is like a seatbelt. Most of the time my seatbelt is just there. But the one time I needed it, in a head-on collision with a drunk driver at 85 MPH, it was the most important piece if kit I owned.

To Mack's point,

When I was in Iraq, I saw lots and lots of shot up Soldiers and Airmen (I commanded an AF EOD flight) return to their family with really bad injuries, as long as their core was intact, or as long as their body armor held their injured core in place.

Gunshots, IEDs, vehicle mishaps, you name it.

Body armor is cheap, and I have a drawer in the truck for that and a carbine and enough ammo to get some distance between me and a threat.

Heightened awareness or (something) diligence is what the VA calls it.

Not wanting to die for stupid reasons when the idiots (Antifa, et al) are using kinetic means to their end is what I call it.


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Re: Plate carriers [Re: Mackay_Sagebrush] #16437095 09/15/21
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You were shot through the lung? Where did this take place?


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I am very much a civilian but carry body armor in my truck.

A couple of notes from a first time user regardless of which one you buy.

1--Learn how to wear it. Make certain the front plate is high enough. Plenty of videos out there.
2) Learn how to put it on quickly. Every so often I grab mine and put it on quickly to stay in practice. If you ever need it you will be under pressure and more than likely fall back to training instead of rising to the occasion.
3) Wear it. I walk on paths through the woods behind my house and will wear my vest with the plates. After three or four miles you will find out how comfortable it is and what needs to be adjusted.
4) I do not have a ton of crap on mine. One thing I need to add is a tourniquet. I carry one in a backpack in my truck but having one on the vest is important to me.

This is the one I have, remember I have nothing to compare it to but I am happy with it so far.

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One other thing, I have never been in a firefight, but would be willing to bet a head shot is pretty difficult with somebody shooting at you.

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Bageezzzus, where do you guys live that you have to wear body armor?

I bet for the price of armor, you could buy a tank of fuel and get out of there.


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see the seatbelt comment.

It's like saying, for the price of a seatbelt, I could drive to where there are less accidents.


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Mike I wouldn't try a headshot under stress I'd shoot for torso which would make armor effective. I'm thinking along the lines of the other poster, where do yall live that you need body armor? I can see me mowing my yard in body armor with a pistol on my hip & my AR mounted on a swivel on hood of lawn tractor. You folks must live in some dangerous areas.


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I knew this thread would turn out the way it’s going. The seatbelt analogy is an excellent one and one that I was going to bring up before deciding that I’m not interested in convincing anyone or justifying my reasons for owning body armor. I will say that I’m comfortable having the same mindset as those brave guys that have BTDT like Mackay and DW. Their reasons mirror mine and the situations they describe are EXACTLY the situations where I believe body armor is extremely useful.

I also have an extensive first aid kit in every vehicle as well as an IFAK on every vest. Quick clot, tourniquets, SCW HyFin vents, pneumothorax decompression needles, etc are part of every kit with O2 and IV therapy in my big bag. I’m responsible for mine and my family’s safety and since I’m trained in the proper use of such equipment I would be irresponsible to not avail myself of every advantage.ymmv


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